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re: Amazon Prime new cartoon retells the creation story

Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:48 pm to
None of that touched the point I made.

If children who die before a certain age go to Heaven, then that's creating a class of people who don't have to be saved to get into Heaven.

Imagine a class where 90% of students fail. You're one of those students, and have a 1/10 chance of passing. But the guy next to you gets a free A and passes. Why? He lucked out, the teacher randomly gives a few students out of every thousand free As. They didn't do anything to deserve it. They might have made zeros on all the tests and didn't do any homework. They still get an A, and you still have a 1/10 chance of *not* burning in hell for all eternity.

So now we've moved beyond killing children. Now we have an unjust child killer. Hence, chubby made the situation worse with her 2 cents.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 11:10 pm
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:35 am to
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WRONG. Are you familiar with the Biblical account of Lazarus and the Rich Man? And their respective destination upon death? (This is NOT an "allegory".)


It’s very frustrating knowing you aren’t rejecting my argument due to your own mental gymnastics but rather you aren’t even reading and understanding what I’m writing in the first place.

Why tell me I’m wrong and bring up Lazarus from the gospel of Luke? I was talking specifically about Genesis and more broadly about the Torah. You even quoted what I originally wrote but you didn’t bother to read it. See below - I bolded the part that should have caught your eye to reinforce that I wasn’t talking about the New Testament.

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When one gave up their spirit, they were physically dead. From dust Adam was made and to dust he shall return. There was no afterlife. Death was death. You may not like that very much and it isn’t consistent with the New Testament.


Look, it is a fact that ancient Jews at the time genesis and the Torah was written didn’t believe in an afterlife. That changed after the influence of Zoroastrianism and Greek paganism over hundreds of years so that by the time of Christ, some (but not all) Jewish sects believed in an afterlife. At that time the Saducees didn’t believe in an afterlife, but the Pharisees I believe did definitely the Essenes of the messianic cults like the Dead Sea Scrolls community and the Jesus movement.

Ancient Jews don’t believe in afterlife

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Most of the scholarly world agrees that there is no concept of immortality of life after death in the Old Testament.

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Even many Jewish thinkers deny an afterlife. For instance in a 1991 interview, Jewish professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz said, Death has no significance… only life matters… In the entire Torah there is not the slightest suggestion that anything happens after death. All the ideas and theories articulated on the subject of a world to come and the resurrection of the dead have no relationship to religious faith. It is sheer folklore. After you die, you simply do not exist.


Wiki link references scholarly book on subject
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Greek and Persian culture influenced Jewish sects to believe in an afterlife between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE as well.


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As I've stated earlier up-thread, there's a reason for this inability to understand: The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit


So the supreme being, all powerful creator of the universe inspires a book with so many factually inaccurate statements and contradictions that one must be filled by the power of the Holy Spirit to understand the text? You have to be duped or brainwashed into already believing the material… to understand what it says. Sounds about right actually but that is sad.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:10 am to
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but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:3 KJV The Bible never says when Adam and Eve will die just that they will and they do. If you're going to attack the Bible you better start reading it.


I bolded part of your quote for emphasis. I am now going to quote the same KJV of Genesis chapter 2.
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16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Bold added for emphasis. Do you see how you are wrong now?
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:12 am to
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Noah's flood? 10th plague of Egypt? The 3 or 4 different instances he commanded the Hebrews to commit genocide? What do you think happened to Job's children? Do you think there were any children in the cities Sodom or Gomorrah?


“God” also delighted in and accepted the sacrifices of the 7 sons of king Saul and Jepthah’s daughter.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1906 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:16 am to
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The issue of Marcionism as it relates to Christianity was settled 1,880 years ago by the early church. Marcion lost and few remain who hold to his heretical beliefs.


“Settled” because the Roman proto-Catholics had the power of the Roman legions at their disposal and were better funded.

Islamic scholars in the time of the beginning of the Ottoman Empire were described the large populations of Marcionite Christians in Anatolia and Palestine.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1906 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:27 am to
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As to "killing children," yes He has. Are you aware of the reasons?


Killing innocent children is evil. No surprise Yahweh admits that it is he who creates evil (Isaiah 45:7, KJV).

He could have saved those children. He could have made himself known and converted the parents of the children to Yahwism. He chose to kill them anyway. After all those plagues of Egypt, the Egyptians (especially the pursuing army) were aware that Yahweh was the most powerful and true god. At that point Yahweh could have converted them and accepted their worship. Nah, he chose to kill them. For a narcissistic and selfish reason, that he describes if you read the Bible:

Exodus 14:18
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And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.


Yahweh didn’t care about the Egyptians or their innocent babies. He wasn’t their god, after all. He wasn’t interested in converting them. He enjoyed killing them. Why? So the Egyptians would know that “I am Yahweh”.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21925 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:00 am to
Human freewill could prevent conversions, though its hard to imagine if God appeared in some form people would still reject him. After all, Christians often smugly claim that eventually every knee will bow and every tongue confess...

Still, there are ways to solve these problems without killing children or relying on the unrealistic amounts of human resistance Christians will assure you were present.

With Noah's flood, just make everyone besides Noah and his family infertile.

With the 10th plague, just put the Egyptians asleep, wipe their memories of their Hebrew slaves, and reawake them once the Hebrews have left.

It's amazing the how powerful indoctrination can be, it's literally shutting people's brains off.

"Yeah, of course God killed those children and piled their bodies up, but how else was he suppose to reach that really high lightbulb to change it?"

frick, I don't know... You got me...
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:03 am to
All you've been doing here is quoting your own Gnostic sources, twisting of Scripture and lies -- and attributing them either to God Himself (you call Him a "Liar" AND Murderer.) OR attribute your quotes to ME.


You're not worth any intelligent or honest exchange; Your ONLY goal here (or on ANY other Bible-thread) is to inject the Lies of The Serpent in order to cast doubt upon the Lord's Word.

There is no truth in you. You cannot understand nor discern Biblical Truth, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or especially -- its context. The Lord has blinded you to ALL of it.

You know nothing about Life or Death; in this World or the Next.



Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:06 am to
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He/she/it is doing satan's bidding and cannot help but interject into any subject on Christianity, whether what it spouts is relevant or not...

The mere mention of Christianity is like nails on a chalkboard to this useful idiot...


Spot on.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:11 am to
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The idea that Satan is the good guy is not a new idea. I think this is one of the things Masons secretly teach.


Yup.

The upper echelon worship the Sun-Lucifer.

Freemason 33s+ and Illuminati etal actually believe they are the special "Illuminated"; the inversion of the Bible story of this blasphemous cartoon reflects their cults.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21925 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:12 am to
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There is no truth in you. You cannot understand nor discern Biblical Truth, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or especially -- its context. The Lord has blinded you to ALL of it.


This is from the same poster that didn't know his god killed children despite such things being present in some of the Bibles most popular stories.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:13 am to
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It is of interest to me the reason in which you are so bent on commenting on so many Christian based threads. There must be a reason.


Yes, there IS a reason; The guy is either a Satanist or Luciferian disciple.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:14 am to
Let me be honest; I think your lost, deceived, and...ignorant to the nth degree. You've got problems I can only imagine. I hope you get them worked out -- seriously.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 10:14 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21925 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:19 am to
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The guy is either a Satanist or Luciferian disciple.


Agreed, but we should weigh him against a duck to make it official.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21925 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:20 am to
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Let me be honest


You worship a child killer. What in the world makes you think I value your judgement?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263158 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:23 am to
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Satan was the misunderstood hero.


Satan, who is the god of this world...

II Cor 4.4

People seem to forget Satan isnt ugly, hes very attractive and is God of all superficial and material things.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:23 am to
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None of that touched the point I made.


You read past ALL of what points I made. You're lazy because you don't want to try extend the effort to try to understand.

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If children who die before a certain age go to Heaven, then that's creating a class of people who don't have to be saved to get into Heaven.

Imagine a class where 90% of students fail. You're one of those students, and have a 1/10 chance of passing. But the guy next to you gets a free A and passes. Why?


Explained up-thread.

WE ARE ALL SINNERS. None of us deserves to be Saved (in in your example, "PASS" the test.)

As to "Why?" -- Have you read the Gospel?

If you don't understand the doctrine of Sin and Redemption and the reasons for Jesus Christ's blood sacrifice, the whole world makes no sense.

By the way, you seem to believe YOU know the mind of God Almighty than HE know it.

How in your finite mind can you possibly believe you (or the phony Luciferian-Squirrel) know the Ways, Purposed and Reasons of Almighty God?



Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21925 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:24 am to
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Explained up-thread.

WE ARE ALL SINNERS. None of us deserves to be Saved (in in your example, "PASS" the test.)


All irrelevant to the unequal standard I pointed out.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:25 am to
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Satan, who is the god of this world...

II Cor 4.4

People seem to forget Satan isnt ugly, hes very attractive and is God of all superficial and material things.


+100

Satan is a lame Counterfeiter of God's Glory and Father of Lies (as witnessed on this thread.)
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9007 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:30 am to
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All irrelevant to the unequal standard I pointed out.


You couldn't be more wrong.

Like I said, you ignore understanding.

We are ALL EQUAL SINNERS IN GOD'S EYES.

The great liberator from the bondage and filth of Sin is being washed pure by proxy by the Blood of Jesus Christ. It is The Almighty's FREE gift of Grace to ALL of us IF we accept it.

For those who simply will not, do not for whatever reason risks EVERYTHING (and it's Final.)
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