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re: Alito & Thomas wish to review Obergefell v. Hodges

Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Kennedy did exactly what Scalia predicted he would do when he (Scalia) wrote the dissent for DOMA.


After the opinion came out, there were many scholarly articles discussing the ramifications of Obergefell. As many of these articles pointed out, If you follow the reasoning of the opinion, states wouldn’t be allowed to put any limitations on marriage. If first cousins wanted to marry, Obergefell's reasoning would require istates to recognize it. If a polygamist, wanted to marry seven different wives, the reasoning of Obergefell would require it.

Of course, we know that the Supreme Court would come up with some bullsh!t reasoning to “distinguish" these cases, but that just shows you how truly fricked up the reasoning of Obergefell is.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:24 pm to
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2) I am now stunned that of all people, you seem to think court decisions should be based on public opinion, and not precedent



He never argued that at all. He was asked about the public opinion of the issue and answered it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:24 pm to
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Overturning Obergfell puts Loving in jeopardy.

I forgot about that one, but yeah, when I mentioned Griswold, you have to include Loving, too. They're all based in the same reasoning and just built off each other.

Griswold begat Loving, which begat Obergfell.

You try to make the argument we need reverse Loving or Griswold and you're going to lose a lot of elections.
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:25 pm to
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Obergfell isn’t just based on Roe. It’s also based in Loving.


Obergefell is based on "5 people wanted gay marriage to be the law of the land". It's not any more complicated than that, and it's exactly what Scalia predicted.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:25 pm to
If all the stupid people in the world got together and elected a f*cking king, you would be a f*cking shoo-in.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:25 pm to
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What really raised eyebrows was Thomas saying GRISWOLD needed to be revisited. You're going to need an actual Handmaiden's Tale society to support that one.



Why? Privacy via substantive due process is obviously the thorn for Thomas rather than any particular outcome for contraceptives.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:26 pm to
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If all the stupid people in the world got together and elected a f*cking king, you would be a f*cking shoo-in.


When SFP is proven right, the ad homs begin
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:27 pm to
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You cannot separate the Gay and Transgender issues. It cannot be done


Perversion is Perversion. This a morality issue.
Being gay is not a perversion or make a gay person a pervert. It's the gay culture that so many of them subscribe to that's the issue, Same as it is in the black community. The culture is ruinous.

Bring Trans, however, is a perversion. It's an idea, a fixation, a kink, an identity issue, however you want to describe them, they're obsessing over their femininity to the point of believing they're female and what's even more perverted is that a certain subset of soy drinkers believe them. These people need help.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:27 pm to
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Why? Privacy via substantive due process is obviously the thorn for Thomas rather than any particular outcome for contraceptives.


You can't separate privacy from government intrusion from Griswold (outside of direct LEO interactions and the 4th Amendment).
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Obergfell isn’t just based on Roe. It’s also based in Loving. Overturning Obergfell puts Loving in jeopardy.



I almost mentioned Loving as well. I believe Justice Thomas referenced it the same time he referenced Obergfell (which is crazy coming from him).
Posted by HagaDaga
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Nobody touched that version of marriage.

Smfh. Bull...shite. If not they would have been happy by calling it civil unions, not marriage. Not have faux religious ceremonies mocking Christians.
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The marriage being discussed is the governmental, bureaucratic version of marriage.

The govt version of marriage was the recognition of the religious version, because it benifits society/govt. Gays couldn't leave it be, and just push for their own gay govt version via civil unions. Which has no benefit to society/govt.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 2:30 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:29 pm to
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He was asked about the public opinion of the issue and answered it.

He could have also said that it didnt matter, because public opinion should never drive a legal decision

Yet he didnt
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:29 pm to
Let 'em do their partnerships but stop calling or marriage.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:29 pm to
I can definitely see how someone as f*cking retarded as you could come to that conclusion. The fact that you think you’ve been “proven” right simply indicates that you need some serious f*cking professional help – up to and including a complete f*cking lobotomy. It definitely couldn’t hurt.
Posted by cornerstore
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:31 pm to
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Let the gays get married and ruin their lives with divorces.


Totally agree, who cares move on and don’t waste time and capital on trying to invade people’s personal lives.
Posted by L5ut1g3r
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:34 pm to
Do it yesterday!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:35 pm to
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He could have also said that it didnt matter, because public opinion should never drive a legal decision

Yet he didnt

We weren't discussing the legal decision, Mr. Illiterate. That digression had nothing to do with the legal merits or justifications of the ruling.

Did you even look at the quote to which I replied? I'll post it for you:

quote:

What were the polling numbers throughout the 2000s and 2010s nation wide? Do they support this?


So what did I respond with? Polling data.

You jumped in and tried to snipe and looked retarded as usual.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:36 pm to
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You can't separate privacy from government intrusion from Griswold (outside of direct LEO interactions and the 4th Amendment).



Sure you can, by about 60 years.

Thomas thinks privacy via substantive due process is untethered, incomprehensible fairy dust, which it obviously is

Now I don't expect the unhinged component of the country who views women's sexual lib and love for abortion as the state religion to approach it with reason or nuance, but nonetheless, I don't think revisiting it is a sign of some major cultural backslide. I also don't think anyone other than Thomas is devoted to it, and I expect he'll be replaced with a conservative jurist without that particular obsession anyway.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:36 pm to
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I can definitely see how someone as f*cking retarded as you could come to that conclusion. The fact that you think you’ve been “proven” right simply indicates that you need some serious f*cking professional help – up to and including a complete f*cking lobotomy. It definitely couldn’t hurt.


Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:38 pm to
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This is where I think conservatives go too far. Let the gays get married and ruin their lives with divorces.


Yes. Don’t give the left a winning issue with this.
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