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re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warns Amazon HQ2 could worsen housing crisis in New York, DC

Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:39 am to
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
6000 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:39 am to
You want more housing in NYC? Remove rent control. There . . . solved it without even breaking a sweat.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:40 am
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6581 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:40 am to
Given they chose NY and DC suburbs, I feel suspicious about the entire search process. This strikes me as a political move more than pure business.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52562 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:40 am to
So liberals are now trying to convince us that the need for MORE housing is a bad thing? The contractors doing the building would be largely Hispanic due to that being the nature of the beast and them having plenty of work is now bad.


It truly is a thing of beauty watching these idiots pull off their mental gymnastics.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:40 am to
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You want more housing in NYC? Remove rent control. There . . . solved it without even breaking a sweat.


NYC has some draconian housing laws and regulation

That is the issue
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62079 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:41 am to
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All she had to do was spread her legs like the trashy whore she is.




Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9957 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:42 am to
Yeah it shouldn’t have taken a year to choose NY and DC. Amazon turned this into a national contest to wring as many concessions as possible from those two cities. Good for Bezos, I guess.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:43 am to
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She is an idiot BUT there are some underlying economic points that should concern every one.

1) Nobody could live on the lower wage jobs in NYC if the government did not subsidize their housing. It is wrong. This subsidized housing is in effect holding down wages. I once read an article about minimum wage jobs in NYC. My very first thought was how does anyone find labor at minimum wage in NYC? Well if they didn't have unbelievable levels of housing subsidies they would not find such help. They would have to pay people more money.

2) NY should not give Amazon tax subsidies. They should lower their taxes for everybody so that Amazon would invest there without subsidy.


I agree with everything you said there

I will also add that the Amazon HQ there will create incredible opportunity for residents in Queens to better their lives based on associated industry to support an economic nflux of employees
Posted by Music_City_Tiger
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2018
1087 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:45 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:48 am to
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It will be an economic shot in the arm for Queens. What do people like her want? No development in lower income areas? This is exactly what spurs economic development and opportunity






But it won't be a shot in the arm for her constituents.

Look, I despise everything she stands for, but for people struggling to make ends meet, Amazon moving in certainly won't help their cause. She's worried about her constituents, not the greater good of the NYC area. That's her job, even if she's dead wrong about socialism.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:49 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:49 am to
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But it won't be a shot in the arm for her constituents.


It absolutely will. Whole industries will rise in support of the new HQ. wages in the area will rise
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110963 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:50 am to
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Look, I despise everything she stands for, but for people struggling to make ends meet, Amazon moving in certainly won't help their cause. She's worried about her constituents, not the greater good of the NYC area. That's her job, even if she's dead wrong about socialism.


What distinguishes "her constituents" from the people this will be of benefit to?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:51 am to
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What distinguishes "her constituents" from the people this will be of benefit to?







Being poor.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:52 am to
Are they unable to work? Because that area upis about to explode with new jobs
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70523 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:53 am to
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It absolutely will. Whole industries will rise in support of the new HQ. wages in the area will rise


Not if her constituents are Section 8 leaches that don't have real jobs, won't get real jobs, and pay a pittance in rent. This new development will greatly increase demand for housing in that neighborhood causing rents to increase to the point that landlords can make more money renting to working citizens than they can renting to HUD, causing all of those leaches to be displaced.

However, when you're elected by leaches to serve leaches, you're opposed to any measures which endanger your leaches.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:54 am to
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It absolutely will. Whole industries will rise in support of the new HQ. wages in the area will rise




This is similar to gentrification, which I think is a great thing overall, but it's very disruptive and often a net negative to people who were struggling to hang on there in the first place.

Her constituents voted for socialism. They're not exactly the folks who benefit from rising wages and property values.

That voting bloc will be gone within a decade, and so to will Ocasio-Cortez.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:59 am to
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but it's very disruptive and often a net negative to people who were struggling to hang on there in the first place.


Incredible. Economic success is bad for the poor people

it's amazing how poor people adapted in days of old, and they can't today.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 10:01 am to
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Not if her constituents are Section 8 leaches that don't have real jobs, won't get real jobs, and pay a pittance in rent.


It's NYC. They'll be protected
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 10:03 am to
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Incredible. Economic success is bad for the poor people


For the people that voted in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Yes.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42086 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 10:05 am to
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Incredible. Economic success is bad for the poor people


I don't think she is out of line or incorrect to be worried about the impact of housing and rents in what is already the most expensive and tightest real estate market in the country. It almost certainly means gentrification since Amazon is going into L.I. City which is ultimately a will be good thing but it will be disruptive
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104083 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 10:14 am to
Know what causes the “housing crisis” in greater NYC? Environmental and zoning restrictions as well as rent control.

Of course, she won’t argue that any of that should be changed, she’ll just bitch that a big employer will pay people a lot of money to work there.
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