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Administrative bloat in Public Schools - Mississippi numbers

Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:48 am
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13551 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:48 am
https://www.osa.ms.gov/documents/GAD/2024/2024-Classroom%20Spending.pdf

From Shad White, the state Auditor.


quote:

Executive Summary
Mississippi taxpayers spend more on public K-12 education than any other spending category in the state budget.1 The Mississippi Office of the State Auditor (OSA) has published multiple reports since 2019 showing how Mississippi public schools spend taxpayer money. These reports have ranged from broad evaluations of statewide education spending to detailed studies of individual school districts. Now, analysts have obtained new data to show taxpayers updated information about how their money is spent on Mississippi’s K-12 education system.

In April 2019, the Auditor’s office released a report on educational spending in Mississippi primarily using data from the Mississippi Department of Education (MDE).2 That report showed how Mississippi’s education spending over a 10-year period (2006-2016) had failed to focus spending inside classrooms where it matters most. Administrative spending went up while the number of teachers and students went down. It also showed Mississippi could have redeployed $358 million annually—enough to fund thousands of dollars per teacher in pay raises—if spending outside the classroom had been kept the same, per student, over those ten years.

Another report from the Auditor’s office, released in November 2019, compared education spending in Mississippi to that in other Southern states.3 That report showed Mississippi spent a greater percentage of its education money on administration than every other Southern state except the District of Columbia, which was included in the analysis. Since these reports were published, analysts have obtained new data and examined Mississippi’s education spending trends. This report uses data primarily from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES).4 These new data show Mississippi continues to prioritize outside-the-classroom (OTC) spending—especially spending on administration—over inside-the-classroom (ITC) spending.



Some great charts on this link from the state auditor. Public schools continue to waste an insane amount of money on useless administrators but we are not allowed to talk about this. If you want to control your child’s education money and not let it go to waste like this, you hate public schools!
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
6174 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:51 am to
That state auditor is just trying to hate on "educators".

They deserve their $150k salary.
Despite having zero marketable skills in private sector.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:51 am to
Bureaucratic creep is a problem everywhere: Business, government, schools, military. The managerial class has some kind of fricking voodoo to keep themselves seemingly relevant.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6570 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:10 am to
Yes, go check out the parking lot at the East Baton Rouge School board office and notice the make/ model of each vehicle. Also school boards hide more over paid bureaucrats at satellite facilities that you would not expect to find them.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
33189 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:11 am to
Texas is top-heavy af in EVERY ISD.
Big money.
I mean BIG.
Posted by GeronimoBernstein
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Member since Dec 2016
316 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:13 am to
quote:

you hate public schools!


Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
2121 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:17 am to
They just need MORE money and that will fix everything. Come on, man!
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112467 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:23 am to
You should see the lunch room at the Caddo Parish Central Office in Shreveport. It can serve over 100 diners and it's always full regardless of the time of day. Staff likes to take lots of breaks.
OTOH Bossier Central office is a fraction of that size.
Posted by Bistineaubengal
Member since Aug 2008
800 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:29 am to
Bossier has its fair share of administrators, supervisors, directors, facilitators, coordinators, interventionists, etc.

Also,would like to know how many are on drop.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112467 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Bossier has its fair share of administrators, supervisors, directors, facilitators, coordinators, interventionists


Yeah, but Bossier doesn't do racial duplication hiring like Caddo. Caddo has some positions requiring one person but they hire 2, a black and a white to make things equal. There are two girls at the front door greeting visitors. One black and one white. They take turns saying 'Hello' to people walking in.
Posted by Bistineaubengal
Member since Aug 2008
800 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:47 am to
I wouldn't know specifically about Caddo, but many parishes seem to be top heavy.

Bossier also has their admin. folks spread out in several locations.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
8646 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:50 am to
Yep, a stand has to be made. These public school administrators are extremely, I mean EXTREMELY, overpaid. In the very least, redirect the revenue with bottom up funding.

It is unconscionable.

The Time Has Come!!
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 9:04 pm
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51586 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:15 am to
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Administrative spending went up while the number of teachers and students went down.


See also: the entire college/university system where federal money is accepted.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13551 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:19 am to
The only way to reverse it is to give parents power over the money allocated to the students. It would be so much more efficient and would force schools to compete for the dollars.

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112467 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Bossier also has their admin. folks spread out in several locations.


Yeah, I noticed that difference and I think it's because of shape. Shreveport is easily the center of Caddo. But Bossier is north-south long and skinny. So, some stuff is in Benton and some in Bossier City.
Posted by ironwood
Member since Aug 2021
273 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:43 pm to
Reply to:RebelExpress38
Giving parents the power over the money allocated to the students sounds like it would be a good move but it would do two things:
1. In order to qualify, private schools would have to meet certain litmus tests (ie teach certain curriculum and testing mandates) it might not happen initially but it will happen. Effectively narrowing "school choice"
2. It will dramatically increase the total fees of private school much like what has been seen with the universities.
I know it would be great to offset the cost with some of that tax money but it never works out how governments says. Think Obama care etc. it is the creation of a dependency in both the parents and the the private schools. Many private schools received covid funds and bent over for it to. Be careful what you ask for.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
11080 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

Public schools continue to waste an insane amount of money on useless administrators
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1132 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:48 pm to
It’s every school system in every state. Don’t forget the lifetime pensions. I have a good friend whose sister was a curriculum coordinator for the state of Florida. She’s been collecting 125k a year plus health benefits for the last 10 years. She’s 65.

Cut the admin and pay the people that actually educate.
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
2289 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

 you hate public schools!


In today's society all they do is let them color, preach some woke racist bullshite to them and send back home to you.

But they do get to eat. Forgot that
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6414 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:47 am to
quote:

1. In order to qualify, private schools would have to meet certain litmus tests (ie teach certain curriculum and testing mandates) it might not happen initially but it will happen. Effectively narrowing "school choice"
2. It will dramatically increase the total fees of private school much like what has been seen with the universities.


1. Litmus tests like Universities pass to make sure their graduates can write, and will make more than $40k a year after spending over $100k on a degree?
2. Any time you increase gov funding of an educational establishment, costs rise. But, kids also want Wifi and lazy rivers. Private kid parents at least pay for that shite, for their kid.

Parents should be able to send their kids wherever they want, at least in their parish. You're ignoring that 200 black families pulling their kids out of Istrouma, for instance, means they'd have to change administration and teachers, in order to bring kids back. That is most of the public policy point, to effect change to improve the functioning of the school by change enforced by financial penalties.

Cause G-d knows, Louisiana has been doing awesome in public schools since I showed up 30 years ago. All the improvement! Edukcation!
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