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re: Actor Shia LeBeouf converts to Catholicism
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:31 am to Zarkinletch416
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:31 am to Zarkinletch416
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Is that Biblical enough for ya? Jesus did not intend His Church should fracture into thousands of pieces (denominations). The fracturing came about because men succumbed to pride and sin. Unity is a sign of God. Disunity is a sign of the Satanic.
The fracturing began when the church became pagan and came to a head when the followers of Jesus got sick of the pagan catholic church’s evil, vile bullshite.
Hope this helps.
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:38 am to Tuscaloosa
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The fracturing began when the church became pagan and came to a head when the followers of Jesus got sick of the pagan catholic church’s evil, vile bullshite.
Hope this helps.
No, you are dead wrong. YOUR Protestant religion is a vicious attack on the Body of Christ. Just as vicious as those who nailed the Body of Christ to the Cross.
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus then founded a Church and declared that the gates of Hell would never prevail against the Church that Jesus founded. Jesus left us with a Church, not a Book. The Book came later, given to us by the Church and the Apostles, guided by the Holy Spirit.
The Church that Jesus founded is the same today as it was at the beginning. Jesus Himself would never allow it to become "pagan". You are lying and you are propagating a Protestant lie. Satan is the Father of Lies, so, you are doing the Demonic work of Satan.
Jesus Christ would NEVER found a Church that he would allow to become "pagan". Only Satan or an agent of Satan would tell or propagate such a Lie.
Your "church" was founded by some guy who lived 1,500 years after Christ walked the Earth. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself.
Find out more at Catholic Answers.com
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:45 am to Champagne
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No, you are dead wrong. YOUR Protestant religion is a vicious attack on the Body of Christ. Just as vicious as those who nailed the Body of Christ to the Cross. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus then founded a Church and declared that the gates of Hell would never prevail against the Church that Jesus founded. Jesus left us with a Church, not a Book. The Book came later, given to us by the Church and the Apostles, guided by the Holy Spirit. The Church that Jesus founded is the same today as it was at the beginning. Jesus Himself would never allow it to become "pagan". You are lying and you are propagating a Protestant lie. Satan is the Father of Lies, so, you are doing the Demonic work of Satan. Jesus Christ would NEVER found a Church that he would allow to become "pagan". Only Satan or an agent of Satan would tell or propagate such a Lie.
Weird. He wouldn’t allow it to become pagan, but he allowed it to have a laundry list of corrupt practices, the most notably was the selling of indulgences - which lead to the Protestant Reformation.
The truth is that when evil, sinful men end up in leadership roles, we end up with a “church” that charges money to be absolved of sin, practices pagan religion by praying to dead people who are not divine or omniscient, and create alters and statues of false gods you people call “saints.”’ Of course, the status of sainthood is determined by a checklist created by men - a process that scriptures mention nothing about. You guys just thought that sounded like a cool idea and ran with it.
Interesting that you’re under the impression that Jesus would “allow” some hopefully admittedly evil practices to thrive while not allowing others.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:57 am to Tuscaloosa
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Hope this helps.
"Truth, what is that?" - Pontius Pilate
To deny that Jesus established His Church (aka Catholic Church) is to deny the reality of His Truth.
Regarding your comment,"the followers of Jesus got sick of the pagan catholic church’s evil, vile bull shite". All I can say is Jesus knew Judas was stealing from the purse, but He never called him out for it. Does corruption exist in the Church? Yep. Did theft exist among the Apostles. Yep.
The point I'm trying to make here? I wish the Catholic Church had given Martin Luther a sabbatical (just my opinion) instead of excommunicatig him, and on Martin Luther's part I wish he had stayed faithful to the Catholic Church and fought the corruption that had crept in the Church. It was left to Francis of Assisi (and others) to reform the Catholic Church. My observation here. God sent prophets to prophecy and warn the Jewish people, why wouldn't he send reformers to reform His Church? He did. Unfortunately, it wasn't Martin Luther.
Bottom line. Before the Bible, there was (and always has been) the authority. In the exchange between Jesus and Peter in Matthew's Gospel (but who do YOU say I am) we witness the conveying of THE authority. The authority of God himself through the action of the Trinity in the person of Jesus the Christ, conveyed to Peter. The buck ends here.
Does that help?
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:04 pm to Zarkinletch416
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Does that help?
Yes, actually. I think the issue that I and many others have trouble with is being able to reconcile the practices of the Catholic Church with the idea that you guys still proclaim to be the one and only true church and the original. The daily practices of the Catholic church looks absolutely nothing like the Church we saw being practiced in the book of Acts. That was our original example of what a church looks like. The Catholic church is wholly unrecognizable through that lens.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:13 pm to Tuscaloosa
Looks like this thread isn't really about Shia LeBeouf anymore, but I'm watching the interview now and it is tremendous. I believe him. Either way, it's very interesting and moving. Plenty of signals in there even for non believers if you can block what you think is noise.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:15 pm to Zarkinletch416
Francis of Asisi was about 300 years before Luther
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:18 pm to tigergirl10
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Catholicism is the original Christian religion. Every other one is something someone made up. Our teachings are strictly scripture and Biblical. Pick up a Bible sometime.
LOL, no, no, no, no....as a Catholic if YOU picked up a bible you wouldn't remain a Catholic long! The doctrines of Catholicism directly contradict the bible in MANY ways such as....going to a sinful human priest to get sins forgiven when the bible says we can go straight to Christ for forgiveness. Where is purgatory found in the bible?? The Catholic church has made untold wealth from getting the surviving family members of deceased family members to pay for the church for years to pray their departed family members out of purgatory. Hail Mary MOTHER OF GOD?? She wasn't the mother of God, but only produced a body for Christ. All of the sacraments are designed to keep you in the Catholic system from cradle to grave, starting with infant baptism which is sprinkling and not baptism, and ending with the last rites. As an infant you're also assigned godparents who promise to keep you Catholic. Catholicism promotes a works salvation as opposed to faith in Christ alone. "For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast" Ephesians 2:8-9 God will destroy this evil system as outlined in Revelation 18-19
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:22 pm to FooManChoo
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It also wouldn’t matter if there were double that number, because what matters to Catholics is not the Bible, but what the “church” declares about the Bible.
It's ironic seeing an Evangelical claim this, when your entire interpretation of scripture is via Scofield, in service of politics.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:44 pm to KiwiHead
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Francis of Asisi was about 300 years before Luther
Proof that God sends reformers throughout salvation history. Having said that, I sure wish Luther had been a better student of salvation history. Maybe if he hadn't gotten his feathers so ruffled He could have followed the example of Francis and reformed the Church.
But there were other reformers in the Catholic Church following the so-called Protestant Reformation. Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross come to mind. I always saw these two spiritual giants as the force against extravagance in the Church. But that's just me. When it comes to liturgy and doctrine, I like to keep it simple. The Consecration of the Living Bread (i.e. the Body of Christ) on the altar is always my focus. I listen to Jesus speak in the Gospel during the Liturgy of the Word, and I eat His flesh and drink His blood (in the form of bread and wine) during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Why do I do that? Jesus invited me to do that the night before He died. Provided I am without serious (mortal) sin. But I digress.
Bottom line. Nothing that my Catholic Church teaches me is refuted, denied, contradicted by the Bible. Remember, the BIBLE is a child of the Church. The Authority came first.
Pray for unity in the Church.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:48 pm to tigergirl10
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Catholicism is the original Christian religion.
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Every other one is something someone made up
:lol: :lol:
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:19 pm to Stitches
quote:I don't understand how you get your interpretation from that verse.
Again, not solely and entirely sufficient
If the scriptures were less than necessary, it makes no sense to word the sentence like Paul does. Verses 14-17 are Paul emphasizing to Timothy how "useful" the scriptures are, not in an attempt to minimize them, but to show how important they are to him for salvation (v. 15) and good works (vs. 17).
Paul emphasizes what the scriptures are "useful" for: teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness (v.16), and he uses the words he does to show that the scriptures, by themselves, are able to allow someone to do those things. If they were insufficient in themselves to prepare/equip Timothy for the list he provided, it wouldn't make sense for Paul to say what he said. It would make more sense to say "the scriptures are helpful to some degree for [the list], but add to them my own teachings so that you may be truly complete".
Paul could have said something like that because in vs. 10, Paul begins this section by reminding Timothy about how he has followed Paul's teachings. In vs. 14, he reminds Timothy again about what Timothy has learned and who he has learned it from , but Paul doesn't say his words and teachings are useful for preparing Timothy for [the list], but instead, he reminds Timothy of the scriptures, which make him able to be complete for those things. The emphasis is on the scriptures and their positive ability to prepare Timothy; Paul wasn't downplaying them as you are.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:25 pm to UGATiger26
quote:In Ephesians 2:8-9, faith is contrasted with works. Same thing in Romans 4:5 (among other places in Romans) and Galatians 2:16 (among other places in Galatians), and even in James 2, that Catholics are fond of misusing.
I’m going to need you to explain like I’m five how the criminal’s action qualifies as “faith” but not a work. He took an action of his own free will and acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah. Was it necessary for him to have said anything? Why or why not?
Faith is a gift of God that "receives", it doesn't "do". Faith is something you have, not something you do or produce. It's a gift (from God), not a work (of man).
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:27 pm to Tuscaloosa
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The fracturing began when the church became pagan
When exactly did it become pagan? Do you have a date or person or specific event in mind?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:34 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Because of the difference between Catholics and Reformed Protestants: the free will (or the lack of it).quote:Why not? I got grace, an unmerited gift.
If you really believed Jesus died for you then you wouldn't want to go and commit those sins.
You think that because we have a free will and ability to believe the gospel on our own, that we have the ability to "believe" and not act any differently after believing. That's why Rome teaches that works also add to our justification.
The Bible teaches that faith is a gift that comes with the work of regeneration by the Spirit, not something that our free will receives on its own.
Both justification (being declared righteous before God) and sanctification (being made righteous) are the work of the Spirit, so someone who has the free gift of faith will exhibit fruits of the Spirit in greater measure over time.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:37 pm to FooManChoo
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We believe that the "saints" are Christians, not exalted super Christians with a special title, since the Bible speaks of Christians as "saints" often.
Your attention to this argument, with such a lack of knowledge of Catholocism makes no sense. You don't have the information to be an authority on the Catholic faith, at all.
Catholics literally constantly profess that we are all saints. All of the time.
What a titled Saint is someone who has proven some level of connectedness to the trinity to be another example that humans can achieve this that is all. That we can prove that people can get very close to Christ. The Catholic faith does not teach they are more special in heaven, it explicitly says we are all the same. However, while on this earth, as we all find our crosses to bear, saints are guide posts to showing when and how we do that, and how that reflects into the real world. Sometimes with miracles attached, sometimes with martyred souls, etc.
I know you will says, that's what Christ is for, however, the point of Saints is that very few of us are going to be asked to die foe the sins of humanity. Very few of us will be asked to be tortured and die on a cross. What we will be asked is to give up everything for God, like Stm Francis. Or to stand up in battle like St. Joan of Arc. Or to stand up for what we believe like Frans Jagerstatter. Or to be the seed of catholicism somewhere like Ann Seton. Or to be an example of suffering like Padre Pio. And on and on and on.
While we strive to be Christ-like, our crosses and our sacrifices will be different. Saints are there to help show us what to look for, then to see the fruits of following Christ in the here and now.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:45 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Servetus denied the Trinity and was wanted as a heretic by Protestants and Catholics alike. Since the Church and State were so closely related in those days, the Protestant governments and Catholic governments both dealt with heresy through execution (typically). Calvin would eventually push for a separation of Church and State as having different roles or functions that worked together rather than acted as the same thing.
He was egging it on.
What Calvin did, though, was seek to show Servetus mercy by both telling him not to come to Geneva (as to avoid his own execution) as well as petitioning the council (government) of Geneva to put him to death mercifully with the sword rather than by burning. Those aren't the actions of a blood-thirsty tyrant that Catholics (and non-Reformed Protestants) like to believe he was.
quote:Like I said, Church and State were closely tied together and sins of heresy were dealt with be execution (by the State) rather than excommunication (by the Church).
I don't excuse the Inquisition or French Catholics...I'm certainly not going to excuse a demagogue like Calvin, either. Besides Servetus was the high profile death. There were several others that he gins up, whips the Council members and citizens into a frenzy and results in deaths.....of course, not by Calvin's hand.
quote:Your view of justification and sanctification are equally erroneous.
Besides he had that unmerited gift from God and Jesus....did not matter what happened, he was a righteous man....justified,sanctified.
But back to what you said that was wrong initially: Calvin didn't have authority over the government of Geneva. It's why I mentioned that he petitioned the Council to be merciful in Servetus' execution but they denied him. If he had authority, his wishes would have been granted as orders.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:48 pm to hnds2th
quote:I'm not an authority here at all. The Bible is the authority and I just want those who claim the name of Christ to see it for the authority that it is. I'm just as subject to it as you are.
Ok Foo, you clearly are the final authority here. Good night and pray for me.
I will pray for you, though, for whatever you need (faith, clarity, or help in some way)
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:57 pm to UGATiger26
quote:I agree with you. Those with a saving faith will produce good works. The question to answer is, "what is faith?" Is faith a gift from God, or is it a work done by man that is counted as a good work? I believe the Bible teaches that faith is a gift (Eph. 2:8) contrasted with works.
Now, how you can “have faith” without actually acting upon it in some way (works), I have no clue.
quote:How about the Apostle Paul? He professed that salvation is by faith apart from works, and that resulted in a life of obedience to Christ. That is what the Christian life should look like. The faith that we possess by the gift of God through His Spirit should result in sanctification over the rest of our lives.
Someone is going to have to give me an actual example of what a human life saved by “faith alone” looks like in practice.
quote:I don't believe that is true. He was regenerated by the Spirit, given the gift of faith, and the natural result was that he professed that faith that he possessed.
Someone tried that with the good thief crucified alongside Jesus, but even that man - as powerless and helpless as he was in that moment - actually made a positive act of free will to cooperate with God’s love for us.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:57 pm to FooManChoo
Like I said, you got a free gift, you were justified after being sanctified. Jesus picked you....you were anointed, that's all you need. You are all set. God's not going back on his word, neither is Jesus.
Being a pious man is nice, but not necessary. You need nothing more. You got your place reserved regardless. What if that gift does not spur me to do good? Is the gift any less?
Being a pious man is nice, but not necessary. You need nothing more. You got your place reserved regardless. What if that gift does not spur me to do good? Is the gift any less?
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