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re: Actor Shia LeBeouf converts to Catholicism
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:58 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:58 pm to FooManChoo
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The Bible is the authority and I just want those who claim the name of Christ to see it for the authority that it is.
There is no Catholic on earth who denies this.
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:58 pm to Stitches
quote:It depends what Jesus is doing and why He is doing it. When Jesus serves others or treats others with love, that is Him being an example for us to follow. When Jesus dies on the cross to take away our sins, that is an act that only He could do.
The members of the 40,000 different Holy Spirit inspired Protestant faiths are quick to say that when Jesus does something, that doesn't make it the rule, but rather the exception. I wonder why we're not allowed to apply that same logic here...
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:15 pm to Zarkinletch416
quote:Christ's Church is not a centralized visible body with a "head" located in Rome. It is both visible and invisible, consisting visibly of all those who join themselves to a local body of professing believers that teach the truths of the scriptures and follow Christ.
For those of you who seek truth, reflect on this....
"And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it". - Matthew 16:18
Is that Biblical enough for ya?
quote:I disagree. We all should be striving for the peace and purity of the Church, but unity at the cost of truth should always be rejected. "Peace if possible; truth at all costs" -Martin Luther
Jesus did not intend His Church should fracture into thousands of pieces (denominations). The fracturing came about because men succumbed to pride and sin. Unity is a sign of God. Disunity is a sign of the Satanic.
There was no shortage of disagreements and divisions amongst Christians from the very beginning. Paul even chided the Corinthians for the division amongst themselves, with them forming factions that "followed" different people.
Heresies divided the church early on. There was a split over the seat of power and the Eastern church split from Rome. There was a time when there were three different Popes claiming authority at the very same time. There were disagreements over doctrines and dogmas within Catholicism that were put down by the sword.
I wish Catholics didn't act as if Catholicism was free from schism and that the disagreements with Protestantism only shows the truth of Rome. Rome put down dissent by the sword, so there is no wonder why there was so much relative unity. There is also no appeal. If there is a decree or dogma that comes about over time that seems "iffy" at best, there is no way for the good Catholic to disagree with it or have it changed. What the "Church" says, goes.
Give me the truth with all it's ugly repercussions.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 9:07 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:18 pm to Champagne
quote:Actually, it was an expression of concern for the soul of the person in question. I would have said the same thing had he converted to Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Mormonism, or another religion that lacks the gospel of Jesus Christ.
May I remind you that the first discord that arose in this thread came from a direct, vicious and perhaps even demonic attack on the Catholic Church itself? It was not a "debate" at all - it was a vicious attack on Catholics, the Catholic Church and Catholic Theology. Not a debate.
quote:I'm not a pastor and I've said as much time and time again, and I didn't join to debate (though I knew showing my concern may result in attacks against me).
And this vicious attack came not from out of the blue, but from a Protestant Pastor of the Reformed Presbyterian church.
Again, this Pastor didn't join the thread to debate. He came here to attack and condemn.
quote:I assumed there would be responses. That's why I've spent a considerable number of words trying to show those "defenses" to be anti-biblical.
A few people think that they will be free to do that around here without any response to their vicious and demonic attacks on The Body of Christ. I am here to tell them that their attacks will be met with defense.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:20 pm to AggieHank86
quote:I'm concerned about the truth of God's Word and the salvation that comes only by the free gift of Christ on the cross. I don't care about defending Protestantism on the whole.quote:
FooManChoo
”My Christian sect can beat up your Christian sect!”
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:29 pm to Numberwang
quote:This is false. You must have me mistaken with a Dispensational Premillennialist.
It's ironic seeing an Evangelical claim this, when your entire interpretation of scripture is via Scofield, in service of politics.
My interpretation of scripture is in the Reformed tradition. I interpret scripture by scripture.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:45 pm to Freauxzen
quote:I'm sure you all do. That wasn't my point. What I said was in response to me using "saints" in my previous post. I didn't say that Catholics don't use "saints" in that context, either.
Your attention to this argument, with such a lack of knowledge of Catholocism makes no sense. You don't have the information to be an authority on the Catholic faith, at all.
Catholics literally constantly profess that we are all saints. All of the time.
quote:I don't believe the Bible supports the Catholic practice of Saint veneration. I believe the only "saints" are those who are united to Christ by faith with Him.
What a titled Saint is someone who has proven some level of connectedness to the trinity to be another example that humans can achieve this that is all. That we can prove that people can get very close to Christ. The Catholic faith does not teach they are more special in heaven, it explicitly says we are all the same. However, while on this earth, as we all find our crosses to bear, saints are guide posts to showing when and how we do that, and how that reflects into the real world. Sometimes with miracles attached, sometimes with martyred souls, etc.
I know you will says, that's what Christ is for, however, the point of Saints is that very few of us are going to be asked to die foe the sins of humanity. Very few of us will be asked to be tortured and die on a cross. What we will be asked is to give up everything for God, like Stm Francis. Or to stand up in battle like St. Joan of Arc. Or to stand up for what we believe like Frans Jagerstatter. Or to be the seed of catholicism somewhere like Ann Seton. Or to be an example of suffering like Padre Pio. And on and on and on.
While we strive to be Christ-like, our crosses and our sacrifices will be different. Saints are there to help show us what to look for, then to see the fruits of following Christ in the here and now.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:56 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Sanctification is a process. I won't be removed of all my sin and sinfulness until I am glorified (die and go to Heaven). And all who trust in Christ by faith have been given this gift (of faith); not just me.
Like I said, you got a free gift, you were justified after being sanctified.
quote:This is true for all of God's elect. That's what Paul says in Romans 8: "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."
Jesus picked you....you were anointed, that's all you need. You are all set. God's not going back on his word, neither is Jesus.
quote:You keep speaking from your Catholic view of free will. You don't believe we are born again by the Spirit, as Jesus told Nicodemus. You believe we make ourselves born again by our free will, and because you seem to deny the Spirit's work in our new birth, you don't see the Spirit's work in our new life as Christians, being conformed to the image of Christ, especially in our works.
Being a pious man is nice, but not necessary. You need nothing more. You got your place reserved regardless.
quote:The gift will spur you to do good. That's the point of being "born again" by the Spirit. The Spirit will produce fruit in us if we truly do have that free gift of faith from God.
What if that gift does not spur me to do good? Is the gift any less?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 4:03 pm to RollTide1987
quote:With words? No. With actions? Yes.
There is no Catholic on earth who denies this
When the Catholic church says that it alone has the authority to determine what is scripture, and that it alone has the authority to determine how to interpret scripture, then the church of Rome is the practical final authority. The evidence is that it cannot be wrong; it cannot be corrected.
If I said "you're wrong, and here is the scripture to prove it", Catholics will say "you aren't interpreting it correctly because the Church has interpreted it this way...", as well as saying that it isn't the scriptures alone that can be used to judge the decrees and dogmas of the church, but "holy apostolic tradition" must also be used, which conveniently, only the church of Rome can define, because only the church of Rome has received this tradition.
When Rome does all the defining and interpreting and nothing outside of itself can be used to change its decrees, then it has the ultimate authority, no matter what the Bible may seem to say to any of us.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 4:12 pm to FooManChoo
Okay. You have described what the Church teaches but I have yet to see the problem with the Catholic Church's claims of authority to interpret scripture. There needs to be some kind of authority there, otherwise we'd just be like Protestants and form another church when we dislike what our pastor has to say concerning gay marriage, baptism, abortion, or the Eucharist. Whenever there was a controversy within the Church where there was a question concerning a specific teaching, the bishops of the Church would come together and hold a council to decide the matter. We saw this in the Acts of the Apostles at the Council of Jerusalem when the Church rejected the Law of Moses and again at Nicaea when the Church declared authoritatively that Christ was both God and Man.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:31 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Because in spite of their claims that Peter is the head of the Church, I don't see that borne out in scripture.
Okay. You have described what the Church teaches but I have yet to see the problem with the Catholic Church's claims of authority to interpret scripture.
quote:What you described was a presbyterian form of government that initially existed before the episcopalian form of government took over with more and more deference being given to the bishop in Rome until he finally became the single "head of the church".
There needs to be some kind of authority there, otherwise we'd just be like Protestants and form another church when we dislike what our pastor has to say concerning gay marriage, baptism, abortion, or the Eucharist. Whenever there was a controversy within the Church where there was a question concerning a specific teaching, the bishops of the Church would come together and hold a council to decide the matter. We saw this in the Acts of the Apostles at the Council of Jerusalem when the Church rejected the Law of Moses and again at Nicaea when the Church declared authoritatively that Christ was both God and Man.
What you mentioned in Acts is precisely what I see as the proper form of government. Elders were appointed in every town where a church was started (Titus 1:5). The elders were to be chosen and tested with certain qualifications (1 Tim. 3:1-7) so that they could teach and lead by example the flock of Christ. When issues would arise that could not be addressed by the elders of that congregation, they met with other elders of other congregations to discuss and come to a decision (Acts 15), and then that decision would be binding on the other congregations. [By the way, the greek word for elder is presbuteros, which is where we get the word "presbytery" or "presbyterian", which is an elder-led church government.]
Also, in Acts 15, Peter is not described as the head of the Church with the authority to make a decree and have it be binding, by himself. Peter spoke, for sure, but so did the other Apostles, and it was actually James who made a recommendation that was eventually taken up as the decision of the Council. Peter was just one of the voices in the discussion, not the final word.
What I believe should happen is that the Church should be made up of individual congregations led by a plurality (more than one) of ruling and teaching elders, and that decisions and controversies that can't be decided by those elders should be appealed and decided by a larger or broader group of elders (a presbytery), and if those elders can't come to a decision or it is appealed, that the decision is brought to all the elders (or a representative body of elders) called a synod or general assembly to make a determination, and then that determination should be applied to all congregations.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:39 pm to FooManChoo
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I believe in sola scriptura, not sola ecclesia
FooManChoo
So does a lot of people who, in my opinion, have perverted understanding of the scripture.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 7:06 pm to bleedpg
quote:I agree with you. A lot of people pervert the truth. Satan is the master of perverting truth. However, the truth remains in spite of the sinfulness of man attempting to pervert it.quote:
I believe in sola scriptura, not sola ecclesia
FooManChoo
So does a lot of people who, in my opinion, have perverted understanding of the scripture.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 7:51 pm to FooManChoo
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which is why Catholics have an implicit faith in the Church, not the scriptures.
I don’t think this is true. I along with many Catholics have serious concerns about this current pope
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:13 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
A lot of people pervert the truth
Take a look in the mirror, and you'll see someone who perverts the truth.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:13 pm to bleedpg
quote:Whether or not that is true about the current Pope, there has to be an implicit faith in the church of Rome because she teaches that there has to be, for there is no salvation outside of her (sort of). Her decrees and dogmas must be believed and obeyed. That’s what being part of her all about, regardless of the personal opinions of the Pope.
I don’t think this is true. I along with many Catholics have serious concerns about this current pope
That’s why I continue to assert that Catholics are functionally believers in sola ecclesia, because if the church says it, it must be so (in the Catholic view)
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:15 pm to Champagne
quote:I am certainly not seeking to pervert the Truth, but I am seeking to understand it based on the very Word of God. If I be mistaken, may it be with a heart that desires the purity of God’s Word over the inventions of men.
Take a look in the mirror, and you'll see someone who perverts the truth.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:16 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I don't care about defending Protestantism on the whole.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:20 pm to bleedpg
quote:
I along with many Catholics have serious concerns about this current pope
right but that has nothing to do with what he is implying.
we are talking history of the church which gave us the bible.
church, scripture, traditions. all go together like grace, faith and works.
there is no sola scriptura, no sola fide, etc. i have already covered this. the calvinist is a hack.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:56 pm to Champagne
quote:
The fact that you received at least 35 Upvotes for your comment is very telling.
The 245 downvotes means there is a ton of pedophiles on here.
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