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re: Acting Secret Service director testifies about Trump attempted Assassination
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:33 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:33 pm to Pandy Fackler
I wonder what would have had to happen or not happen for you to assign significant fault to the SS? I mean we’re talking about probably the most high profile person in the world who has already been an ongoing protectee of theirs. I really couldn’t fathom that ole boy pointed the finger so significantly at local law enforcement.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:35 pm to Houag80
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You are an excellent scrotum carrier for the SS.
Chicken, get this man a lifestyles board please. This guy's fixated on scrotums, dicks, balls, rectums and whatever the frick else.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:37 pm to davyjones
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I wonder what would have had to happen or not happen for you to assign significant fault to the SS? I mean we’re talking about probably the most high profile person in the world who has already been an ongoing protectee of theirs. I really couldn’t fathom that ole boy pointed the finger so significantly at local law enforcement.
Since the day of the assassination attempt, I have.
What this hearing did for me however is shed some light on the role and responsibilities of local law enforcement.
I have a clearer picture now of how this happened.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:46 pm to Chicken
quote:If that was verified then there is your smoking gun. Of course that begs the question of how short staffed was local PD that they felt they needed to pull those guys to look for a suspicious person.
local LE had snipers with view of building used by shooter to shoot Trump but the snipers may have left their post to help search for the shooter...that turned out to be a bad move.
IMO, a visible security presence around those buildings outside of the perimeter and this guy Crooks goes home (and presumably waits for an easier target).
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:Ok, this is still doubletalk bullshite. The only "interference" a drone can do to air traffic, is to fly high enough to be in commercial airspace. Perhaps there's some jamming equipment that might disrupt instruments.
Because apparently the drone technology they use can't be found on Amazon. I can't remember everything in the hearing but the drones the Secret Service uses are sophisticated to such a degree, they could interfere with air traffic.
BUT-- SO WHAT? You can't tell me there wasn't a no-fly zone imposed around the speech's vicinity, that would otherwise be an easy avenue of attack. So there should be no "interference" with the drone drifting into flight lanes. And again, if there's jamming going on, that's something you probably WANT to happen at this type of event.
As for the FAA involvement... more doubletalk. Please tell me a Secret Service security detail for a planned event doesn't get rubberstamp approval; it's not at the FAA's discretion how much you protect a former president. It would be a simple phone call saying "we're going to use ____, and oh yeah nobody can fly within x miles of this event at this time".
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:51 pm to Scoob
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Ok, this is still doubletalk bullshite. The only "interference" a drone can do to air traffic, is to fly high enough to be in commercial airspace. Perhaps there's some jamming equipment that might disrupt instruments.
BUT-- SO WHAT? You can't tell me there wasn't a no-fly zone imposed around the speech's vicinity, that would otherwise be an easy avenue of attack. So there should be no "interference" with the drone drifting into flight lanes. And again, if there's jamming going on, that's something you probably WANT to happen at this type of event.
As for the FAA involvement... more doubletalk. Please tell me a Secret Service security detail for a planned event doesn't get rubberstamp approval; it's not at the FAA's discretion how much you protect a former president. It would be a simple phone call saying "we're going to use ____, and oh yeah nobody can fly within x miles of this event at this time".
Ok.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:57 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Pandy Fackler
You're doing a great job figuring everything out little buddy
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:00 pm to mmcgrath
Oh I’m sorry, I thought it was like the top duty of the Secret Service to protect Presidents…..”with their life” even. All areas, most every aspect of their lives, I mean we are talking about the most prominent such agency in all the world, and a sign of American pride in many ways. I guess they took the day off that day. Either that or we need to cut their glory in half and pass the other half to local law enforcement. I didn’t realize they divided up duties like that. In fact I guarantee you not many people did. And that’s probably because it’s a dishonest picture painted by the SS guy. I believe it definitely is. He’s a company man who believes it’s part of his duty as leader of the agency right now to do and say whatever he must and can to limit their fault and take some of the negative light off the agency. His actions are sorta understandable from that perspective - doesn’t make them any less wrong though.
Oh, and is it true that neither the SS (nor FBI) have make contact with the local law dogs to do intensive “debriefing” and the indispensable investigation from their angle? If that’s accurate, I don’t need to hear another thing, I know who I will place the lion’s share of the blame on. And maybe even then some.
Oh, and is it true that neither the SS (nor FBI) have make contact with the local law dogs to do intensive “debriefing” and the indispensable investigation from their angle? If that’s accurate, I don’t need to hear another thing, I know who I will place the lion’s share of the blame on. And maybe even then some.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:07 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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You're doing a great job figuring everything out little buddy
Well I'm not really trying to figure anything out man. I'm trying to understand some things, this hearing has helped in that. As time passes, we'll have more answers and a better understanding of things.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:17 pm to tide06
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Issue 1: why did they setup a perimeter that allowed a shooter on a roof at 120 yards?
Issue 2: why was the site security team approved 24 hours before the event preventing them from properly securing the event?
Issue 3: why was there no communication between them and local LEO?
Issue 4: Why didn't the USSS show up for the daily briefing?
Issue 5: why did they allow trump on stage with a possible hostile identified 90 minutes prior to his speech and on the loose?
Issue 6: why did they not report multiple eyewitnesses screaming about a shooter on the roof 15 minutes or more prior to the shots being fired and if they did why wasn’t Trump immediately removed from harm?
Issue 7: why wasn’t the rooftop secured and how could it go hours without anyone noticing it was uncovered
Issue 8: how was an unknown drone allowed to fly on a secured location mere hours before the event?
Issue 9: why did it take 5+ shots before a return shot was fired and why did it take a heroic hail Mary shot from a local sniper to take down a shooter within 150 yards of the stage?
I can keep going, but all of those are absolute critical unpardonable errors that alone could’ve created an opportunity for an attempt to occur. That all of them happened simultaneously either indicates a total systemic failure of that organization or that it was an intentional failure to secure a site to allow someone to have an opportunity to take out Trump.
Great summary of questions.
For #9, the Dave Stewart video as well as others record 3 + 5 shots before there was return fire.
Can add, why was one sniper team positioned with a tree obstructing its line of sight? Who approved location from the SS?
At this juncture, they want their narrative to converge to:
- Single shooter (Crooks)
- Eight shots
- Incompetence - mistakes were made - promise not let 'em happen again
They can survive that.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:30 pm to Pandy Fackler
If the USSS drone is grounded for whatever reason, it now is useless. I'm sure this wasn't the first time it wasn't used because reason a, b or c. Still, it is useless. The locals offered to use their own drone and were turned down.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Because apparently the drone technology they use can't be found on Amazon. I can't remember everything in the hearing but the drones the Secret Service uses are sophisticated to such a degree, they could interfere with air traffic.
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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirmed that the Secret Service did not request Special Government Interest (SGI) waivers to fly drones over the event. An FAA spokesperson told Newsweek, “The FAA did not issue any event SGI waivers
Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:52 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirmed that the Secret Service did not request Special Government Interest (SGI) waivers to fly drones over the event. An FAA spokesperson told Newsweek, “The FAA did not issue any event SGI waivers
So they were in fact ill prepared to do their job
Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:05 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Because apparently the drone technology they use can't be found on Amazon. I can't remember everything in the hearing but the drones the Secret Service uses are sophisticated to such a degree, they could interfere with air traffic.
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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirmed that the Secret Service did not request Special Government Interest (SGI) waivers to fly drones over the event. An FAA spokesperson told Newsweek, “The FAA did not issue any event SGI waivers
Yup. That's it.
I can't completely recall from the hearing but I think the Secret Service Director said or implied that they didn't have the drones ready in time to coordinate with the FAA, and like someone said in a previous post, I think the Secret Service turned down local drone usage.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:06 pm to Pandy Fackler
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This hearing clarified and helped me to better understand some things.
Magical incompetence very conveniently timed. The rats ran down the sewer pipes, they aren’t going to stroll into the street broad daylight.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:08 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
quote:It sounds worse than that...quote:
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirmed that the Secret Service did not request Special Government Interest (SGI) waivers to fly drones over the event. An FAA spokesperson told Newsweek, “The FAA did not issue any event SGI waivers
So they were in fact ill prepared to do their job
quote:If that's true, it's damning. We've seen tons of events showing how effective drones are for surveillance and monitoring, and how easy they are to acquire and use. Yet the Secret Service, in the act of protecting a former President who's running for office again, not only declined to use their own, they willfully kept the local PDs from using theirs too. It's not just incompetence or negligence, it was intentional.
The locals offered to use their own drone and were turned down.
Perhaps their only defense is to claim partisan politics, and wanting to ignore or spite Trump to show him up; and that's bad enough. The other option is that they intentionally left him exposed so this could happen.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:52 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:yeah bullshite. They also said the roof was too steep. How much of this are you prepared to swallow?
can't completely recall from the hearing but I think the Secret Service Director said or implied that they didn't have the drones ready in time to coordinate with the FAA,
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:54 pm to Scoob
quote:sounds about right
Yet the Secret Service, in the act of protecting a former President who's running for office again, not only declined to use their own, they willfully kept the local PDs from using theirs too. It's not just incompetence or negligence, it was intentional.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:55 pm to Pandy Fackler
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But they are and they were. I can't speak to the finer points of local police involvement in Secret Service operations but I do know their involvement is common place. The degree of law enforcement involvement and how they are involved is determined by the Secret Service.
i work in a sector that is not anywhere remotely close to as crucial as protecting a President.
Did it in the field for years, then in the office on the project management side.
many, many times, we had to subcontract out other companies. Either to perform tasks outside of our expertise, or due to not having enough manpower to complete a job ourselves.
you know what we never did?
blamed that subcontractor when things didn’t go right.
we always had someone at the bare minimum oversee their work and make sure it was done and done correctly.
any mistakes those subcontractors made was caught and corrected before they became a problem.
so sorry, this isn’t in the locals.
any mistakes made by them should have been spotted and immediately corrected by USSS
Posted on 7/30/24 at 8:00 pm to Pandy Fackler
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didn't have the drones ready in time to coordinate with the FAA,
This is a fallback lie.
Then we find out it’s a lie and they trot out another lie. Simpletons lap up the lies.
“This guy was so forthcoming!!”
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