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re: Acting Secret Service director testifies about Trump attempted Assassination

Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:50 pm to
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quote:They're going hard against local law enforcement.


It’s such fricking bullshite. How often is a cop expected to protect the President? Unless you’re in DC, maybe once in a lifetime? Sorry, I’m not going to blame someone directing traffic for this shite. This was not their job to keep the President secure, but yours.


I'm still open to the possibility leadership inside the SS and DHS knowingly allowed the lax security around the rally, giving anyone who may have had bad intentions planned against the former president an opportunity to take a crack at him. It's all about the Bureaucratic State Skunks creating an opportunity for plausible deniability along with no intent and that's why the blame is going on local law enforcement.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:51 pm to

I want to volunteer these 2 to put together an all female Kamala protection team, lol
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:52 pm to
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no one has been fired yet...SS entrusted local law enforcement to guard the AGR buildings...local LE had snipers with view of building used by shooter to shoot Trump but the snipers may have left their post to help search for the shooter...that turned out to be a bad move.

Secret Service had a drone that was supposed to be on site, but for reasons unknown, it would not work at the site due to cellular issues...acting director could not explain how the shooter's drone had no problem.

no communications between local LE and SS...SS snipers were not aware that there was a person with a gun until after the shots were fired.


I think he spoke to this.

He made reference to how the drones they use aren't typical of the sort of drone the public might use. In fact, he intimated they were secret in nature and he couldn't discuss them. He went on to say something about how Secret Service drones may interfere with air traffic and that they have to coordinate with the FAA.

I suppose the shooter's drone would have no problem working because they're just garden variety, civilian type drones.

Some Senator asked the country of origin of the Secret Service drones and he said they were American made.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 4:55 pm
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:52 pm to
I thought the SS was elite. They were saying only the top 2% of all applicants. How can that be? Where are the applicants coming from New Iberia PD? No disrespect to New Iberia.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:53 pm to
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I think he’s pointing out that having a range finder at such an event should be a red flag warning that someone is up to no good. Not just a “well, that’s odd,” as the Acting SS Head seemed to try to write it off.
yes, I agree...perhaps someone not completely familiar could have thought it was some weird binocular...

it is becoming apparent that Local Law Enforcement may have not been up to the task...
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:54 pm to
On a scale of 1 to 10, how skeptical are yall on having the FBI/ SS handling the investigation of their own departments?
I'm at an easy 8, probably higher.
I don't even trust the " he had a range finder on him" .
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
21205 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:55 pm to
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no communications between local LE and SS...SS snipers were not aware that there was a person with a gun until after the shots were fired.

Dan Bongino said they have a radio in the command post with a Secret Service agent monitoring all local law enforcement communications. If that SS agent missed it, that person has to be fired immediately.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:56 pm to
frick all that.

They’re 1) run by political appointees of the opposition to Trump and 2) directly vested in covering their own blunders or corruption.

Hard to tell which will drive the final results of the investigation more. 1 or 2.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:58 pm to
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Dan Bongino said they have a radio in the command post with a Secret Service agent monitoring all local law enforcement communications. If that SS agent missed it, that person has to be fired immediately.


I think alot of people are going to be fired and demoted, but I like how the guy's taking the time he needs gathering facts, and once the picture is clear on who owns what, he'll act.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:59 pm to
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but I like how the guy's taking the time he needs gathering facts, and once the picture is clear on who owns what, he'll act.


Pansy is intent on proving he was born last night.

Bro isn’t going to do shite.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27472 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:00 pm to
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He made reference to how the drones they use aren't typical of the sort of drone the public might use. In fact, he intimated they were secret in nature and he couldn't discuss them. He went on to say something about how Secret Service drones may interfere with air traffic and that they have to coordinate with the FAA.
I'll be honest, I mostly fast forward through the Dem's questioning...but I thought he said there was some sort of interference that prevented the SS's drone from flying...

regardless, how can they use a product intended to help protect someone that is not reliable?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:02 pm to
Certainly have plenty of reasons to cover up everything.

I will never be satisfied with the findings unless it was done thoroughly and completely by an independent investigation group.

I can go ahead and tell you the exact findings the FBI will find:

1. Crooks acted alone
2. The local law enforcement was missing personnel

Probably will toss in a couple of extras just to make it look like they were thorough. Such as "Crooks bought the bullets the day before the rally"
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:05 pm to
The utter incompetence at every level is too much of a coincidence that everything happened to work out beautifully for this lone wolf to shoot 8 times from 150 yards away on the most obvious roof ever. Rats at every level.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:08 pm to
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I'll be honest, I mostly fast forward through the Dem's questioning...but I thought he said there was some sort of interference that prevented the SS's drone from flying...

regardless, how can they use a product intended to help protect someone that is not reliable?


I listened to all of it, because I believed we would start getting answers and we did. That process has now begun in earnest. More will come. I have a better understanding of the course of events than I did before.

With regard to the "interference" piece of it, I think he was referring to how Secret Service drones interfere with air traffic. They're sophisticated in nature and they have to coordinate with the FAA. The shooter's drone required no such coordination.

The drones they use are reliable but seem to require to time to set up and get rolling, and if I heard things correctly, they didn't requisition them in time to do all that. Or at least that's the impression I got.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:15 pm to
Why would the SS’s drone need FAA clearance while shooter mcgavin’s drone doesn’t? Or didn’t, as the case may be. Or is. Was.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:21 pm to
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The utter incompetence at every level is too much of a coincidence that everything happened to work out beautifully for this lone wolf to shoot 8 times from 150 yards away on the most obvious roof ever. Rats at every level.


It didn't work out beautifully, not at all. Gross incompetence allowed this guy to loiter and amble around all over the place by the people who knew he was suspicious and a possible danger. No one took action. No one stepped up. In fact, a cop confronted him on the roof, only to turn away when the rifle was pointed at him. Now we can call that a conspiracy if we want to, but would it extend all the way to the local cops and State Police who were patrolling the grounds?

There were Secret Service failures for sure and this thread has touched on all of them, but the most dangerous failures of all occurred on the ground, and it was the cops who were trailing this guy.

This hearing clarified and helped me to better understand some things.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19473 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:21 pm to
You are an excellent scrotum carrier for the SS.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27472 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:25 pm to
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With regard to the "interference" piece of it, I think he was referring to how Secret Service drones interfere with air traffic.
that still doesn't make any sense. What is the point of having a drone that is vital to the security of a protectee that isn't reliable?

Who mentioned the FAA? which senator was questioning him when he mentioned the FAA? If it was John Cornyn, there was no mention of the FAA.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 5:27 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:25 pm to
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Why would the SS’s drone need FAA clearance while shooter mcgavin’s drone doesn’t? Or didn’t, as the case may be. Or is. Was.


Because apparently the drone technology they use can't be found on Amazon. I can't remember everything in the hearing but the drones the Secret Service uses are sophisticated to such a degree, they could interfere with air traffic.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 5:31 pm to
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that still doesn't make any sense. What is the point of having a drone that is vital to the security of a protectee that isn't reliable?

Who mentioned the FAA? which senator was questioning him when he mentioned the FAA? If it was John Cornyn, there was no mention of the FAA.


Well to your point, it's not reliable if you haven't given yourself time to set it up and use it. I think the technology itself is reliable.

If I recall correctly, the Secret Service Director talked about how their drone usage required coordination with the FAA. I think he was answering or addressing some Senator's question or issue. I can't remember which Senator.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 5:32 pm
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