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re: A question for the supporters of "use a national emergency and military for wall"
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:09 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:09 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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the porous southern border not a major national security concern?
It absolutely is. And it needs to be fixed. But the president using the military and a national emergency to carry out a campaign promise is a gross overreach and perversion of his power.
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Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:11 am to More&Les
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So the other 42 times a President declared a National Emergency to carry out his political agenda
List out the times a national emergency was declared in coordination with mobilizing the military to push a political agenda despite major opposition from congress and a big chunk of the population.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:12 am to Nguyener
What's going on at the border is a National Emergency so what's the issue
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:12 am to Nguyener
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Why in the hell would you want to set the precedent for the next Dem president to use a national emergency and the military to carry out his political agenda?
Did you know the Clinton declared 17 national emergencies. Georgie declared 13. Even Odrama used them. I think this is a libertarian talking point that misses the mark.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:13 am to Robin Masters
quote:He had 2 years to do what his followers wanted with full control. He even turned down some deals that included some wall funding. He failed.
Keep in mind, he was elected to build the wall by a mandate from the people. He is being stymied by fascists who are completely self motivated who are championed by a press who acts in the best interest of the deep state which owns it.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:13 am to FredBear
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These are weird times we are living in
This is something we can probably all agree on.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:15 am to Nguyener
The problem with your theory is believing Democrats need a Republican President to set precedent.
Let help you understand something, they don’t give a frick.
Let help you understand something, they don’t give a frick.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:15 am to Nguyener
Your concern is noted...
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:16 am to Nguyener
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fascist revolution for socialism
A revolution? From the fascist socialists in THIS country? The same ones who are scared to death of guns? And police?
What are they gonna do- ride by in their Prius and throw their pussy hat at me? Twitter me to death?
This post was edited on 1/26/19 at 7:17 am
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:17 am to Robin Masters
quote:FIFY
Keep in mind, he was elected to build the wall by a mandate from the people. He is being stymied by people who were also elected to a government built on checks and balances
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:17 am to Robin Masters
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Keep in mind, he was elected to build the wall by a mandate from the people
I agree. But he must work with congress to do so. That's how our multi branch government works.
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He is being stymied by fascists who are completely self motivated who are championed by a press who acts in the best interest of the deep state which owns it.
Then you vote out those fascists. Or you cement your own party's loyalty.
Trump declaring a national emergency and mobilizing the military to carry out a highly contested campaign promise is something I will absolutely never support.
And if our country is so fricked beyond repair that it cannot be fixed through democratic process then the country is lost anyway then it has come a necessary time for people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:19 am to Nguyener
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major opposition from congress and a big chunk of the population
Then it should be easy for congress to pull back the authority that it has already granted the executive branch.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:19 am to Chancellor
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What are they gonna do-
Elect an iron fist fascist to power and use the military to carry out their agenda.
I know it's a popular trope to balk at the idea of democratic socialists mobilizing to crush the spirit of a country but this would be far from the first time in history that happened.
I'm not saying they'd succeed but they'd certainly try it. And it would get bloody and brutal before it got better.
Pick up a history book.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:21 am to Nguyener
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hose of you supporting using the military to carry out a domestic political agenda can't see the precedent that sets. And you will be the first to complain when the dems use the military for their own purposes.
Well, politics is 95% hypocrisy anyway.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:21 am to Yak
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He had 2 years to do what his followers wanted with full control. He even turned down some deals that included some wall funding. He failed.
A presidents term is 4 years.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:21 am to Nguyener
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I agree. But he must work with congress to do so. That's how our multi branch government works.
He’s genuinely tried that and we are to the point where this has become a national emergency according to DHS and Border Patrol.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:21 am to GumboPot
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The problem with your theory is believing Democrats need a Republican President to set precedent.
Let help you understand something, they don’t give a frick.
I'm extremely aware of how the democrats operate. And I hate them.
But as I said:
You do not surrender your principles because your opponent surrendered his. That's not right. There are other ways to beat the dems.
I will gladly die to defend my principles before I compromise them.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:21 am to Nguyener
You are melting all over the place. You gave been added to bunyans list
Dont start the I have always loved Trump when the winning starts again
Dont start the I have always loved Trump when the winning starts again
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:22 am to GumboPot
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He’s genuinely tried that and we are to the point where this has become a national emergency according to DHS and Border Patrol.
If our population and media are so beyond fricked that they can't see this or don't care about it we have far deeper problems than a wall can solve.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:23 am to Nguyener
You sound skeered.
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