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re: A potential solution to jobs that Americans "don't want" that need migrants.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:51 am to The Baker
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:51 am to The Baker
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What if we allowed anyone on government assistance, to keep their government assistance and be able to work these select "migrant heavy" jobs for minimum wage. You'd raise the labor pool for these jobs and, at the same time, help your fellow Americans. Not selling them short for foreign cheap labor.
Most people on government assistance are working some type of job unless they're fully disabled...
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Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:56 am to crimsonuatide
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That's my direction of thinking. Quit paying these slobs to sit in the projects all day getting drunk and high. They'll go to work when they get hungry enough.
I worked in a tobacco field as a kid for $18 a day at 7/8 yo. I pushed mowers and shovels when I got big enough. Paid cash for my first truck at 15yo. I grew up poor, and my dad worked a lot of those jobs beside us for extra cash. I know struggles, that's why I decided I wanted to do more. RR ain't made me rich, but I don't struggle.
Where I grew up in a small town in Texas there was plenty of teenagers/ young 20 year olds around more than willing to do the manual labor jobs to help pay for college..
People today are just lazy. And, they raised lazy, un-curious kids with no skills at all..Then they hide behind those jobs don't pay good so we have to have immigrants..
I was hauling hay, plowing, working with roofers and framers, working at cattle auctions, mowing lawns, welding bleachers, working in the oilfield with my dad and brother, from the time I was 9 years old up until I was 25..
And I could skin a buck and run a trot line at a very young age as the Hank Jr song says...My dad and mom were big time country folks and taught us a lot growing up..We weren't poor, they were white middle class.
I also learned a ton of skills just in wood shop, Ag class, and Small Auto mechanics in Junior High and High school plus growing up on a farm..They need to bring some of that back in the schools..
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:57 am to The Baker
Stop feminizing the country where blue collar jobs were frowned upon.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:58 am to The Baker
The solution is a combo of sterilization for anyone on govt assistance over 24 months under 35 & mass deportation.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:59 am to dgnx6
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Stop feminizing the country where blue collar jobs were frowned upon.
Yeah they shouldn't be frowned upon. We do need them. But it's obvious why no one strives for them or actively chooses anything else when they have better options.
As someone whose done labor in construction I would gladly go work at McDonald's for better pay and benefits than doing roofing for example which is fricking miserable work for mediocre pay unless you own the company....
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:00 am to The Baker
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What if we allowed anyone on government assistance, to keep their government assistance and be able to work these select "migrant heavy" jobs for minimum wage.
What if, I know this is difficult but follow me here, we cut the government assistance and forced the 40% we pay now to sit on their arse and make babies to go get an actual job?
Hunger is a hell of a motivator...
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:02 am to oklahogjr
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But it's obvious why no one strives for them or actively chooses anything else when they have better options.
More young men are choosing blue collar work.
Its women who are terrified of it.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:03 am to mooseofterror
This is the way.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:56 am to RoyalAir
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You set a visa program that allows for literal MIGRANTS (not illegal immigrants) to come to the country to work ag and seasonal jobs. NZ does this program.
quote:I agree that politicians don’t want to fix the problem, but you realize the US already has visa programs like the one you referenced for New Zealand, right?
In short, the US doesn't want to fix this problem.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:08 pm to The Baker
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What if we allowed anyone on government assistance, to keep their government assistance and be able to work these select "migrant heavy" jobs for minimum wage.
They won’t do it. They would claim back aches, etc.
A better solution is to end illegal immigration, and ramp up legal immigration so that the net immigration is down, we are getting high quality future Americans, and because the net is down, demand for workers will outstrip supply causing wages to rise until the demand is met by qualified Americans getting off their lazy asses because it’s then worth it.
We could help the process by waiting until demand is driving wages up to cut safety net benefits, thus driving parasites into the work force.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:11 pm to The Baker
Replace welfare with workfare.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:11 pm to The Baker
Replace welfare with workfare.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:15 pm to oklahogjr
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Most people on government assistance are working some type of job unless they're fully disabled...
What is your source for that besides making it up?
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:16 pm to The Baker
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What if we allowed anyone on government assistance, to keep their government assistance and be able to work these select "migrant heavy" jobs for minimum wage.
Or we could just abolish welfare. Hunger is a great motivator. And we stop paying people tax money and those same people start paying into the treasury.
win\win
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:30 pm to SuperSaint
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'government assistance' comes in many different forms. NFIP, Pell Grant, etc.
minimum wage for those incapable of producing any output worth it
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:30 pm to mooseofterror
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actually vets people
How?
Because immigration law enforcement is just like criminal law enforcement in that everyone wants more cops to arrest people, but no one wants more public defenders and judges to actually conduct the constitutionally required justice end of law enforcement.
In other words, vetting people takes a frickton more than just hiring more border security agents. There are a couple of steps between arrest/detention and incarceration/deportation that can't be skipped that no one wants to pay for.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:34 pm to tadman
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Supposedly some folks on gov't assistance are unemployable. Of course that's a slippery slope for people to self-define, but we all know of some people that we would rather pay to stay home than come in and make a giant mess by getting sucked under a tractor while farming or lighting my house on fire while cleaning a stove.
Go look at the graph of Americans on disability since the program was enacted in the 1960's.....it tells an interesting story. I bet the number of people on disability has jumped 10-20% since COVID19.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:37 pm to KiwiHead
Ran 4 crews building houses in Costa Rica-would kill to be able to bring them all up here. It is night and day.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 1:22 pm to The Baker
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What if we allowed anyone on government assistance, to keep their government assistance and be able to work these select "migrant heavy" jobs for minimum wage.
First - "government assistance" is money taking from tax payers via the threat of a gun.
Second - the better answer is to make not working way less comfortable than it is today, which would result in people working.
Third - your suggestion is still a good one; however, it should be decreased possibly a quarter for every dollar earned or something like that to encourge growth.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:37 pm to WDE24
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I agree that politicians don’t want to fix the problem, but you realize the US already has visa programs like the one you referenced for New Zealand, right?
Many many years ago I had an aunt who enrolled in this program. Husband had died, she had a tobacco farm in Kentucky (contracted for Philip Morris so the woman was not hurtin). Wonderful lady.
She said she paid a certain wage the govt asked for (well above min wage), and bought a few mobile homes with AC etc. You only housed them four to a trailer etc. They worked for the season and then went home.
She said everyone of them came back the next year, they were all from the same village in Mexico. Gave her this lace tablecloth with lace placemats, said it must have taken their wives a tremendous amount of time to make them. They said it was a thank you from their family, she said she broke down and cried.
She said they did have some peculiar habits. Said I baked them a ham for the holidays, checked on them to see if they liked it, it was still in the fridge and they had gone out in the woods killed them a opossum and was cooking it up.
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