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re: A major impediment to upward mobility for blacks is racist landlords.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:01 pm to Roaad
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:01 pm to Roaad
quote:
-Poverty
-Media portrayals
-Lack of education
-Lack of glorification of education
-Borg-like collective cultural mind-prisons
-Lack of social accountability
-Blame culture
-Lack of cohesive functioning family unit
-Irresponsible sexual behavior
-Glorification of criminal behavior/prison culture
For the average black person, ALL of these come in ahead of "racist white people" as a problem.
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:02 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't get nervous around young black males in a dark parking lot because I have an inherent dislike for black males.
To the extent I get nervous, it's because pretty much every random act of violence that I am made aware of that is committed in the metro Atlanta area has a black perpetrator. The chances that this imaginary guy intends to engage in criminal conduct is low, so my fear is fairly irrational. I can admit these things, but the selectivity of my fear isn't the product of hate.
I'll admit this happened to me as well. I had some knuckleheads spray paint my car with gang shite one summer, which cost me $2000 to fix. It was odd because I live in a relatively safe neighbor. I have an idea of who did it, and I've seen the kids ride their bikes through our lot before. But I wasn't about to call the cops on some kids that j wasn't for certain committed the crime.
Flash forward a year, and I'm exiting my car at 1AM to get back to my apartment. There is a teenage black boy walking in my direction with a basketball in hand. I left something in my car, but I saw the kid and told my self to just walk straight to my house.
I walked 2 steps, then realized that it was summer and the kid was probably coming back from the park, and how in the world could I stereotype that kid with that vail of prejudice and profiling so seemingly doing something I did as a kid? Sure my past experience may have triggered my initial reaction, but honestly, what I initially did to that kid is what I've had so many people do to me at night throughout my life. I couldn't let that situation paint a terrible world view for that kid.
So I walked back to my car, and retrieved my items. We exchanged hellos and that was it.
Having been in that situation before, I was cognizant of tbe powers of racial bias and atereotyping and how it can foster resentment and hate on the other side.
Who wants to constantly walk around being perceived as a constant threat?
I felt like shite for this but I was glad that I walked back to my car and CONFRONTED a "fear." Turns out it wasn't anythibg to fear.
As in most cases. I wish more people would confront what they are "scared" of
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:03 pm to ShortyRob
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people such as yourself acknowledged that a lot of what blacks experience with whites is a result of stuff other than just racism and sometimes, god forbid, BLACKS THEMSELVES have a hand in it?
I've admitted such too many times to count on this board. Black people get in their own way waaaay too often.
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Regardless, until blacks start at least ask "why do seemingly nice white people still hold some views we don't like" and answer it with something other than "that's racist", I don't see much potential for improvement.
I'm not even sure what to say here. If some "seemingly nice white person" views me differently or treats me worse because the demographic I belong to commits more crimes, has less education, etc than average, what am I supposed to do about that? I mean, he/she can politely GFT. Thankfully anybody I really need to make these types of judgments about me in life will have my CV in front of them, so I aint trippin
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Case in point. I can guarantee you that if I grabbed 100 black people at random and asked them if conservative white voters in South Carolina were generally racist, I'd get a majority of yes answers. Probably a WIDE majority.
You can keep making unfounded guarantees until the cows come home. But feel free to call up those 100 black people. Seems like you have some free time today.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:05 pm to StrongSafety
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Yes lets talk about it, but let's talk about the blacks that work hard, are successful and have seemingly done everything white people have asked them to do so they can stop being racist.
So explain why those folks, and there is a long number of them, still get treated like the gutter kids and felons.
Is this the norm in your opinion?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I've admitted such too many times to count on this board. Black people get in their own way waaaay too often.
quote:Do blacks play any role in generalized how non-blacks see them?
If some "seemingly nice white person" views me differently or treats me worse because the demographic I belong to commits more crimes, has less education, etc than average, what am I supposed to do about that? I mean, he/she can politely GFT. Thankfully anybody I really need to make these types of judgments about me in life will have my CV in front of them, so I aint trippin
quote:Oh pahleez. You wouldn't bet me a damned cup of coffee in real life on that one. I'd bet my life savings.
You can keep making unfounded guarantees until the cows come home.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
I don't want to have to carry my CV around to prove my humanness or Unharmfulness.
That's out of my control.
That's degrading in itself.
That's out of my control.
That's degrading in itself.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:06 pm to Pettifogger
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I made a totally honest post that acknowledged that, so I think it is a little absurd that you characterize it as "spin/rationalization." I don't equate the plight of white people in America to the plight of black people. I do object to the concept that prejudice must be the product of hatred, and that I must dislike the President because I hate black people, etc.
I didn't mean to come off as dismissive. I am just saying that just because there is a statistical "justification" for something does not "lessen the blow" to those who receive the short end of the stick through no fault of their own.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:07 pm to StrongSafety
I think it is a generally good idea. I try not to let prejudices impact my daily life. I try to be rational in thinking through my gut fears.
That said, and on a not-especially-racial note, I also give people a pass on some things. If a woman locks her doors as I walk by at night, I may roll my eyes because I'm not a threat. That said, I hope my GF does the same thing she did, because I live in an urban, relatively high crime area and I don't trust people.
Can be hard to balance. I understand why it's tough to tell black men "hey don't worry about me crossing the street to not walk past you in a sketchy part of town." I'm obviously judging them based, at least in part, on skin color. But, I also can't promise I'm not going to do it.
That said, and on a not-especially-racial note, I also give people a pass on some things. If a woman locks her doors as I walk by at night, I may roll my eyes because I'm not a threat. That said, I hope my GF does the same thing she did, because I live in an urban, relatively high crime area and I don't trust people.
Can be hard to balance. I understand why it's tough to tell black men "hey don't worry about me crossing the street to not walk past you in a sketchy part of town." I'm obviously judging them based, at least in part, on skin color. But, I also can't promise I'm not going to do it.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I didn't mean to come off as dismissive. I am just saying that just because there is a statistical "justification" for something does not "lessen the blow" to those who receive the short end of the stick through no fault of their own.
Of course not. I would simply submit that the blame for that blow isn't entirely upon the white person(or any other non-black).
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:08 pm to StrongSafety
Young male blacks from poor urban neighborhoods, despite being a small minority, commit the majority of violent crime in this country. Those are statistics despite any media portrayal. You shouldn't blame yourself or anyone else for recognizing a reasonable pattern. It's vital to our survival.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:09 pm to ShortyRob
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Do blacks play any role in generalized how non-blacks see them?
Sure. What does that have to do with me, though? I can't control what other blacks do just like you can't control what other whites do
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:10 pm to StrongSafety
#1 impediment:
N***A Moments
Per Huey Freeman
Here's the quotes (censoring offensive terms
N***A Moments
Per Huey Freeman
Here's the quotes (censoring offensive terms
quote:
Huey: Watch closely. You are about to experience a "n***a moment". Webster defines the "n***a moment" as a moment when ignorance overwhelms the mind of an otherwise logical Negro male. Causing him to act in an illogical, self-destructive manner... i.e. like a n***a.
Huey: If N***a Moments had their own category, N***a Moments would be the third leading killer of black men behind pork chops and F.E.M.A. It's a fact.
Huey: I've said it before, expensive sneakers are like a $150 land mines. Step on one and BOOM! A perfectly rational black man can explode.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I didn't mean to come off as dismissive. I am just saying that just because there is a statistical "justification" for something does not "lessen the blow" to those who receive the short end of the stick through no fault of their own.
Well and that is my point. I'm not trying to say I can put myself in your shoes, but on an intellectual level I can comprehend that.
But, I don't know how to fully address it. Let's say I'm the cabbie in some scenario someone else posted. Do I go to that neighborhood for a pickup because, more than likely, someone just needs a ride? Or do I opt for the overly-cautious (and prejudiced) approach in an attempt to avoid a .5% chance that I'll end up in a bad spot?
The only thing I ask of black people is to know that some of us have no ill will toward you. Most, I hope. Even our prejudice isn't borne out of ill will. I know that's shitty consolation if you're the one being judged, but I do think it is important for broader healing, if you will.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:13 pm to StrongSafety
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I don't want to have to carry my CV around to prove my humanness or Unharmfulness.
My point is there is nothing I can do if someone wants to view me in a particular light because of the actions of other people. I just have to keep it moving. If I have to wait longer in the cold for a taxi, that sucks, but what can I do? Howevergood thing, IMO, is that those who are in position to have great impact on my life (residency program directors, potential employers, etc) would dig deeper and not make off the cuff decisions based on stats.
Off to round, will check back later
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:14 pm to StrongSafety
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Having been in that situation before, I was cognizant of tbe powers of racial bias and atereotyping and how it can foster resentment and hate on the other side.
Much of the modern stereotype was perpetuated by media and entertainment industries. Glamorizing and over publicizing certain behaviors hasn't done a hell of a lot of good.
The same thing happens with MC clubs. The overwhelming majority are weekend warriors who spend 9-5, M-F in a cubicle but get lumped in with the 1%'ers.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Sure. What does that have to do with me, though? I can't control what other blacks do just like you can't control what other whites do
Agreed. I will submit though that the historical closeness of the black community worsens this effect.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:15 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:They'll use clean cut conservative looking white applicants and grilled pants saggin' black applicants.
I need pictures of the testers. Appearance is everything
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:18 pm to genro
That's easier said than done. What if that kid is doing all the right things. Why do I need to pile on that kid, especially when I've walked in his shoes (in regards to the experience of people being scared of you at night) before?
I felt bad because I knew how dehumanizing that feeling can feel. I don't want to be apart of a problems or behavior that perpetuates or casts all those young people as threats and trouble makers. It's severely harms them, their development, their "race-baiting" tendencies, etc.
I felt bad because I knew how dehumanizing that feeling can feel. I don't want to be apart of a problems or behavior that perpetuates or casts all those young people as threats and trouble makers. It's severely harms them, their development, their "race-baiting" tendencies, etc.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:24 pm to StrongSafety
It's a vicious cycle.
And I think legitimizing thug culture, welfare and entitlements, and blaming whitey is a terrible way to solve it. And I don't just blame black people for that.
And I think legitimizing thug culture, welfare and entitlements, and blaming whitey is a terrible way to solve it. And I don't just blame black people for that.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:24 pm to StrongSafety
No thanks. I won't over ride my instincts honed by growing up in NOLA.
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