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re: A major impediment to upward mobility for blacks is racist landlords.

Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:43 am to
Posted by Al Dante
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:43 am to
You keep going on about black "black obsessed". Do you realize your own post counts in these threads are really high?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:43 am to
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So explain why those folks, and there is a long number of them, still get treated like the gutter kids and felons.

Because statistics bro
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 11:44 am
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:44 am to
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The moral of the story? The cab driver was from D.C. and was black. He flat out stated, "I hate driving past a black guy in the cold and rain. If it's a couple or a family, I typically stop, no problem. A single black guy in a suit or otherwise well-dressed is usually no problem. But 1 or more sketchy black dudes, especially at night? I'm sorry, but I have bigger responsibility to go home to my family than to be colorblind."


This describes 99% of people. Their priorities are to their families, not to social PC dogma.

I have a friend who went into teaching with the intent of working in at risk high schools. Former military guy.

And, he did. For four years, he worked in a primarily black school. After that, he left. Why? His wife demanded it. She told him that if he wanted ANOTHER job where she had to worry for his safety, he might as well have gone and become a cop.

He'd been assaulted twice. His car had been vandalized. He'd been threatened many more times.

He works in a majority white school district now.

Oh. Forgot to add..

He's black.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 11:46 am
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:44 am to
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Because statistics bro

Experience bro
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:46 am to
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You keep going on about black "black obsessed". Do you realize your own post counts in these threads are really high?

Yea I'm bored at work and feel like engaging today. Every once in a while I gotta let you people know what the deal is.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:46 am to
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So explain why those folks, and there is a long number of them, still get treated like the gutter kids and felons.
Because the liberal media frames everything in the prism of race. . .and that is the image America sees.

That creates a perception on the whole of society.

The media DOES rank in the top-10 impediments to black upward mobility
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:47 am to
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quote:
So explain why those folks, and there is a long number of them, still get treated like the gutter kids and felons.

Because statistics bro


You're not wrong. I've had a number of minority cab drivers (including Africans) tell me they refuse to go into predominantly black areas for rides. This is anecdotal. But, my impression is that is due to either personal bad experiences or knowledge of bad experiences in those areas.

I don't think it's because my Ethiopian uber driver hate black people. It's because of prejudice developed due to personal knowledge or reputation (which is fallible).

Yes, it totally blows that you get lumped in with criminals. I don't expect you to account for people who share your skin tone. But, I do expect that any reasonable person would acknowledge that there is a difference between lingering racism among the white community (which exists) and prejudice held by a large variety of ethnicities against the black community on account of the prevalence of crime within the black community.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:47 am to
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Experience bro

I doubt every single person who is racially prejudice is so due to personal experience. You're being disingenuous
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:48 am to
Uh, most cab drivers aren't white
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:48 am to
"Statistics" ie a nice excuse for them to cover up or be lazy about their own moral failings.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:49 am to
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Statistics" ie a nice excuse for them to cover up or be lazy about their own moral failings.
Yes, every whitey in this thread is morally corrupt because you couldn't get a cab
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:50 am to
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I doubt every single person who is racially prejudice is so due to personal experience. You're being disingenuous
Perhaps not every individual, but most.

The media has a large hand in that as well. They never pass up an opportunity to remind us that blacks and whites are supposed to dislike one another.

Example: Trayvon
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:50 am to
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"Statistics" ie a nice excuse for them to cover up or be lazy about their own moral failings.



I don't get nervous around young black males in a dark parking lot because I have an inherent dislike for black males.

To the extent I get nervous, it's because pretty much every random act of violence that I am made aware of that is committed in the metro Atlanta area has a black perpetrator. The chances that this imaginary guy intends to engage in criminal conduct is low, so my fear is fairly irrational. I can admit these things, but the selectivity of my fear isn't the product of hate.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:51 am to
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Yes, it totally blows that you get lumped in with criminals. I don't expect you to account for people who share your skin tone. But, I do expect that any reasonable person would acknowledge that there is a difference between lingering racism among the white community (which exists) and prejudice held by a large variety of ethnicities against the black community on account of the prevalence of crime within the black community.

Regardless of the phrasing/spin/rationalization, I get lumped in with criminals because of no other reason besides skin, per your post. Very frustrating. That's a little different than being thought of as a poor basketball player or a poor track runner because of your skin, no? Like I said earlier, its always easy to say "get over it" or "well that's just the way it is" when you are not part of the group getting the short end of the stick. I don't dwell on it, and I just go about my day. But I feel for those who encounter this much more than I do.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:51 am to
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Yea I'm bored at work and feel like engaging today. Every once in a while I gotta let you people know what the deal is.

Has it occurred to you that one way we might improve race relations is if people such as yourself acknowledged that a lot of what blacks experience with whites is a result of stuff other than just racism and sometimes, god forbid, BLACKS THEMSELVES have a hand in it?

Regardless, until blacks start at least ask "why do seemingly nice white people still hold some views we don't like" and answer it with something other than "that's racist", I don't see much potential for improvement.

Case in point. I can guarantee you that if I grabbed 100 black people at random and asked them if conservative white voters in South Carolina were generally racist, I'd get a majority of yes answers. Probably a WIDE majority.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62609 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:52 am to
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I get lumped in with criminals because of no other reason besides skin, per your post.
How so?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:52 am to
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I doubt every single person who is racially prejudice is so due to personal experience. You're being disingenuous

You're being disingenuous if you think it's not common.

I never said "every single"......
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:54 am to
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Regardless of the phrasing/spin/rationalization, I get lumped in with criminals because of no other reason besides skin, per your post. Very frustrating. That's a little different than being thought of as a poor basketball player or a poor track runner because of your skin, no? Like I said earlier, its always easy to say "get over it" or "well that's just the way it is" when you are not part of the group getting the short end of the stick. I don't dwell on it, and I just go about my day. But I feel for those who encounter this much more than I do.



I made a totally honest post that acknowledged that, so I think it is a little absurd that you characterize it as "spin/rationalization." I don't equate the plight of white people in America to the plight of black people. I do object to the concept that prejudice must be the product of hatred, and that I must dislike the President because I hate black people, etc.

I also object to the concept that prejudice against black people and the privilege attributed to white people are the same things. Don't discredit my story (not you, generally) just because you're (again, generally) encountering obstacles not within your control.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:58 am to
Major impediments:

-Poverty
-Media portrayals
-Lack of education
-Lack of glorification of education
-Borg-like collective cultural mind-prisons
-Lack of social accountability
-Blame culture
-Lack of cohesive functioning family unit
-Irresponsible sexual behavior
-Glorification of criminal behavior/prison culture
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
95632 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:01 pm to
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get lumped in with criminals because of no other reason besides skin, per your post. Very frustrating.


Again, that would piss me off to no end.

quote:

I don't dwell on it


And, honestly, I think that's all you can do.
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