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re: A Democrat candidate for President advocated gun confiscation by the Federal government

Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:30 pm to
Posted by 93and99
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:30 pm to
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texridder


Does your dad own a gun ?
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:36 pm to
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Until the Supreme Court's ruling in 2008, there had never been recognized a right to bear arms EXCEPT in the circumstance where one was serving in the militia




Maybe it was never "recognized" because it is stated in clear and direct English and beyond any disengenous efforts at interpretation?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:41 pm to
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Until the Supreme Court's ruling in 2008, there had never been recognized a right to bear arms EXCEPT in the circumstance where one was serving in the militia.


I don’t give a damn what the Supreme Court says the Constitution says. Do you think slaves gave a flying shite about what the Supreme Court said about their status for the first 85 years of this country’s existence? Does that mean that every utterance and ruling they made, which didn’t recognize them as human beings with all rights and privileges of anyone else, were correct and Constitutional?

Supreme Court justices are nothing if not another layer of government bureaucracy. Nobody needs them to interpret plain English. The 2A is as straightforward as it can be. It’s only educated idiots such as yourself and tyrants within and without the government who seem to have trouble preserving, protecting, and defending the parts they need to go away, so they can take control.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:45 pm to
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Until the Supreme Court's ruling in 2008, there had never been recognized a right to bear arms EXCEPT in the circumstance where one was serving in the militia.

Well this just isn't true at all.

ROFLMAO

Just because the supreme Court hasn't ruled on a thing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You've literally flipped the constitution on its head and made it something that doesn't exist until somebody takes it to court and gets a ruling
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:49 pm to
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AR-15
Antagonistic Rifle, Angry Rifle, Amoral Rifle ..pick the one that sounds the meanest!!
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:55 pm to
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Just because the supreme Court hasn't ruled on a thing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You've literally flipped the constitution on its head and made it something that doesn't exist until somebody takes it to court and gets a ruling

Exactly the opposite. You are flipping the Constitution on its head.

The 2nd explicitly relates to a well regulated militia. Your reading that it also refers to an individual's right to bear arms outside the context of serving in the militia, ignores the plain reading of the amendment.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:57 pm to
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Exactly the opposite. You are flipping the Constitution on its head.

The 2nd explicitly relates to a well regulated militia.

ROFLMAO

Troll

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Your reading that it also refers to an individual's right to bear arms outside the context of serving in the militia, ignores the plain reading of the amendment.

Obviously not given that for all of American history, the law never used your meaning.

Idiot
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:00 pm to
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The 2nd explicitly relates to a well regulated militia.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Like I said, calling you an idiot is giving you too much credit. You’re corrupt, seditious, and unAmerican. You’ll be in the camps for a long time.

I’m going to buy that new AR-10 I’ve had my eye on, and 500 fresh rounds in your honor.

This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:03 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:01 pm to
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n fact, until 2008, when an activist Supreme Court held otherwise, the right to bear arms in this country only extended to the situation where one was serving in the militia.


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Annnd, you don't know what a militia is.
People like you who post horseshite like that are useless twits.

Why don't you say what you think a militia is and why I don't know what it is instead of posting useless crap.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:04 pm to
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:06 pm to
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Why don't you say what you think a militia is and why I don't know what it is instead of posting useless crap.



It doesn’t matter any more than “A well balanced breakfast” does in the analogy you dodged. A well regulated militia does not modify the right of the people.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:07 pm
Posted by xxGEAUXxx
minneapolis
Member since Dec 2012
1345 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:09 pm to
Do you think we should regulate firearms and restrict “assault” weapons? Or do you think we should ban rifles
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:18 pm to
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A well regulated militia does not modify the right of the people.
Why don't you read something instead of posting horseshite from the seat of your pants. What do you think the language "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" means then. Why did they put it in the amendment then if it didn't mean the purpose for which the right to bear arms was granted?
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7273 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:24 pm to
The right to bear arms was put in so the people an protect themselves from an evil government. The founders envisioned today’s Democrat Party and planned ahead for us to be able to protect ourselves from it and from invasion, like what’s happening now on our southern border.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:25 pm to
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Your reading that it also refers to an individual's right to bear arms outside the context of serving in the militia, ignores the plain reading of the amendment.

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Obviously not given that for all of American history, the law never used your meaning.
More of your usual ignorant horseshite.

Go read District of Columbia v. Heller and see how ignorant you are.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28544 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:29 pm to
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People like you who post horseshite like that are useless twits.

Why don't you say what you think a militia is and why I don't know what it is instead of posting useless crap.




I think it means an armed citizenry. Now tell us what your puppeteers tell you it means.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:31 pm to
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Why did they put it in the amendment then if it didn't mean the purpose for which the right to bear arms was granted?


Hey dumbass, the Constitution doesn’t grant rights. It recognizes rights, and restrains the government from trampling them. And even if the Constitution doesn’t enumerate those rights, we still have them.

The purpose DOES NOT MATTER. It is a “RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE.” Rights are not needs based.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:37 pm to
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What do you think the language "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" means then.
”Regulated” does not mean “ruled over by he government”. Go read von Steuben’s manuals if you want to learn what the term “regulated” meant before you call anyone ignorant.

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Why did they put it in the amendment then if it didn't mean the purpose for which the right to bear arms was granted?
Because it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

DO you think this clock requires government-issued permit to own?



It is, after all, a regulated clock!
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:39 pm
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:40 pm to
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Go read District of Columbia v. Heller and see how ignorant you are.


So you agree the right isn’t connected to being in a militia? Because that’s that the court said in that case with regards to handguns, rifles, etc.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:41 pm to
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Why don't you say what you think a militia is
I know what it’s not. Do you really think the founding father put the power to raise an army in the constitution twice? And further that the 2A is the ONLY amendment that establishes additional power for the federal government rather than limits it.

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