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re: 9th Circuit Fails To Cite Actual Law In Issuing Its 29 Page Ruling
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:27 am to sicboy
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:27 am to sicboy
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Didn't they say the White House failed to prove that there was an actual threat that required the travel ban of these specific countries?
No they said that there have been no terrorist attacks in the United States perpetrated by anyone from one of these 7 countries. It completely ignored that 60 some-odd individuals from those 7 countries had been convicted of terror related actions in the United States. A fact that was submitted to the court by the administration.
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:28 am to Damone
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Kinda like that law he wrote on droning American citizens without due process?
No that's it's whole own fricked up mess.
This would be more like the time Obama stopped taking refugees for 6 months instead of doing it the silly way like Trump he did what he could that was actually within his authority.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:29 am to oklahogjr
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This would be more like the time Obama stopped taking refugees for 6 months
That's because he did it without telling anyone. The press didn't even find out until it was basically over. And it was never given any scrutiny whatsoever.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:31 am to jeff5891
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but it is not the Court's job to rewrite the Executive Order to make it Constitutional
Unless it wants to - Chief Justice John Roberts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:34 am to NC_Tigah
Most overturned circuit. What we need is a competing case that cites damages due to immigration of criminals and a supporting ruling by another Circuit Court of Appeals.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:34 am to Damone
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That's because he did it without telling anyone. The press didn't even find out until it was basically over. And it was never given any scrutiny whatsoever.
It's all about the scope. Obamas action didn't get publicity because the scope was only on new visas. And never haulted all immigration from these countries. Trumps was a blanket overnight stop on immigration green card holder or not.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:37 am to the808bass
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Here's the thing. If our vetting process is flawerd, the existence of a visa for someone doesn't mean they've been vetted. So his was still a rational decision to make.
Thats valid logic but it doesn't really address the legality of the EO does it? Additionally, its hard for me to lend and weight to an argument that this EO is about a dire threat given the conspicuous lack of countries in the ban list from which terrorist have actually entered the country.
Im not saying the list of 7 aren't valid at all, but that if we're talking about motivation it should have been expanded drastically to be consistent .
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:37 am to oklahogjr
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It's all about the scope. Obamas action didn't get publicity because the scope was only on new visas. And never haulted all immigration from these countries. Trumps was a blanket overnight stop on immigration green card holder or not.
There was nothing in the 9th Circuit ruling to indicate "scope" had anything to do with the decision.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:37 am to udtiger
quote:I think the raw totals are a result of the large population--which is almost twice the size of the next largest district--and the sheer volume if cases.
the MOST reversed appellate court in the federal judiciary
Interestingly, the 9th Circuit has a lower reversal rate than 4 of the other circuits; although it's higher than those districts when you add vacated decisions as well.
SCOTUS Judgements by District
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
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There was nothing in the 9th Circuit ruling to indicate "scope" had anything to do with the decision.
The frick? The vast majority of the decision was surrounding scope of due process to visa, green card holders, and illegal immigrants on US soil in my understanding.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:40 am to buckeye_vol
Pity reply because you know nobody's gonna read a debunking on page 5
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:44 am to buckeye_vol
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although it's higher than those districts when you add vacated decisions as well.
That's a pretty big factor, considering a vacate ruling by SCOTUS guts the entire decision by the court of appeals.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:45 am to buckeye_vol
Math is hard.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:46 am to AUbused
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Thats valid logic but it doesn't really address the legality of the EO does it? Additionally, its hard for me to lend and weight to an argument that this EO is about a dire threat given the conspicuous lack of countries in the ban list from which terrorist have actually entered the country.
The court presumes that the visas are all legitimate. That's the problem with them asking questions about previous terror attacks from visa holders from those countries. They are saying we have a process that is working and you disrupted it.
Not completely irrelevantly, they seem to argue we have to let a terrorist attack happen before we can restrict visas.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:47 am to NC_Tigah
All they did was delay the inevitable. Waste of time and taxpayer money.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:47 am to buckeye_vol
I want to affirm your usage of the alternate spelling of judgment.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:48 am to NC_Tigah
I'm not a lawyer but it would take a pretty dim bulb not to see how absurd this ruling is.
That said, the Trump Administration should just re-write the order to address those with valid papers t make it bullet-proof and move forward...
That said, the Trump Administration should just re-write the order to address those with valid papers t make it bullet-proof and move forward...
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:49 am to Iosh
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ity reply because you know nobody's gonna read a debunking on page 5
How the hell is that a debunking ?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:53 am to the808bass
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The WH didn't try to. They asserted that these decisions aren't subject to judicial review. And normally they wouldn't be.
Why do you think this is true?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:54 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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No but when constitutional rights are allegedly being violated t
Whose constitutional rights?
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