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8 Big Changes Under Tom Price’s Obamacare Replacement Plan

Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:10 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:10 pm
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8 Big Changes Under Tom Price’s Obamacare Replacement Plan

The legislation Price is offering as a replacement to Obamacare is called the Empowering Patients First Act and is reflective of his long-standing concern that government has interfered with the traditional doctor-patient relationship. The latest iteration of his legislation would try to wean 20 million Americans off of Obamacare with a handful of tax credits, savings incentives, state grants and other marketing incentives to encourage competition within the insurance industry.

Price’s approach is comprehensive – his latest proposal totals 242 pages – and highly ambitious in conceiving of a parallel universe of health care insurance for many in this country.

* Obamacare would be scrapped, including the government-run insurance markets in every state, the mandates on individuals and businesses and federal tax credits to subsidize the insurance of lower income Americans. Price’s plan instead would offer fixed tax credits – pegged to a person’s age rather than their income -- so that they can buy their insurance policies in the private market....

* Just as is the case under Obamacare, people with pre-existing medical conditions or chronic illnesses couldn’t be denied coverage under Price’s approach -- provided they had continuous insurance for 18 months before choosing a new policy. That’s a big caveat designed to discourage people from obtaining coverage during an illness and then dropping the policy after recovering. If someone allows their policy to lapse, the next time they return to the market they could be charged up to 150 percent of the standard premiums for the next two years. . . .

* Price would seek expanded use of health savings accounts . . .

* Price would provide grants to states to insure the “high risk” population. The risk pools would be the equivalent of a safety net for insurers, to offset part of their costs when hit with enrollees’ catastrophic health care costs. . . .

* Price would likely roil businesses by imposing a cap on the amount of money that companies could deduct from their taxes to defray the cost of providing health insurance to their workers. This exclusion is one of the largest in the federal tax code . . . .

* In one of the biggest blows to poor and low-income Americans, Price would repeal the expanded Medicaid coverage in 32 states . . . .

* Price’s approach .... allows health insurers licensed to sell policies in one state to offer them to residents of other states. . . .

* The Price proposals .... would eliminate Obamacare-style mandates for insurers to include a standard package of benefits . . . .

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Posted by VOLhalla
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:20 pm to
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* Price would likely roil businesses by imposing a cap on the amount of money that companies could deduct from their taxes to defray the cost of providing health insurance to their workers. This exclusion is one of the largest in the federal tax code . . . .


Any idea how many people would lose their insurance coverage through their job?
Posted by mr robot
Trump Tower
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:25 pm to
good riddance obama
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:26 pm to
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provided they had continuous insurance for 18 months before choosing a new policy. That’s a big caveat designed to discourage people from obtaining coverage during an illness and then dropping the policy after recovering. 


I like this.

A lot.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:31 pm to
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Price’s approach is comprehensive – his latest proposal totals 242 pages


About 240 pages too long
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:31 pm to
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Any idea how many people would lose their insurance coverage through their job?


Quite a few, I expect.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:36 pm to
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Any idea how many people would lose their insurance coverage through their job?
Quite a few, but seeking to disconnect insurance from jobs is a big deal and long term positive development.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78372 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:44 pm to
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* Just as is the case under Obamacare, people with pre-existing medical conditions or chronic illnesses couldn’t be denied coverage under Price’s approach -- provided they had continuous insurance for 18 months before choosing a new policy. That’s a big caveat designed to discourage people from obtaining coverage during an illness and then dropping the policy after recovering. If someone allows their policy to lapse, the next time they return to the market they could be charged up to 150 percent of the standard premiums for the next two years. . .


I've been thinking all along that preexisting conditions should allowed only with a similar caveat.
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/8/17 at 12:13 am to
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Price would likely roil businesses by imposing a cap on the amount of money that companies could deduct from their taxes to defray the cost of providing health insurance to their workers. This exclusion is one of the largest in the federal tax code . . . .


Not sure I like this part. Seems they are encouraging companies to either charge more to employees for health coverage or drop some employees altogether. Kinda defeats the purpose of making healthcare coverage more affordable as well as trying to get people covered.

Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9746 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 12:39 am to
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Price would likely roil businesses by imposing a cap on the amount of money that companies could deduct from their taxes to defray the cost of providing health insurance to their workers. This exclusion is one of the largest in the federal tax code . . . .


Look of get mine through my job and they pay it for me. If I lose mine I'll be kinda pissed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/8/17 at 1:41 am to
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Look of get mine through my job and they pay it for me. If I lose mine I'll be kinda pissed.
Given overall corporate tax reform, and more efficient insurance options, corporations will do just fine continuing coverage.

This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 1:42 am
Posted by progodlegend
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
50 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 1:49 am to
Decades of employer health insurance being tax deductible as wages increased is what got us into this healthcare mess we have in the first place. If they have a legitimate plan for weening America off of employer health insurance then that would be a good start, and if we can start moving on to individually bought insurance then that would be a great start. Based on the fact that Price's plan wants to reduce the deductions on them, it sounds like he actually understands the problem conceptually and actually knows the economics behind why it hurts us, so I'm actually really excited about this.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 1:50 am
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52407 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 8:25 am to
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Not sure I like this part. Seems they are encouraging companies to either charge more to employees for health coverage or drop some employees altogether. Kinda defeats the purpose of making healthcare coverage more affordable as well as trying to get people covered. 




Why is it your employers responsibility to provide you with cheap healthcare coverage? Don't get me wrong, I'll glad some can, but it's not their "responsibility."


Are they supposed to help underwrite my home owners of i live on the gulf?


My auto insurance because I drive a Vette?
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7053 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 8:31 am to
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Obamacare would be scrapped, including the government-run insurance markets in every state, the mandates on individuals and businesses and federal tax credits to subsidize the insurance of lower income Americans. Price’s plan instead would offer fixed tax credits – pegged to a person’s age rather than their income -- so that they can buy their insurance policies in the private market....


This just shows you want an idiotic health plan looks like.

So a 45 year old who has never smoked and works out would be assessed on only age while an obese smoker who is 25 would only be assessed on age?

Age as a variable is laughable.

Smart thinking there, Gomer!
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 8:32 am
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35230 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 8:40 am to
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So a 45 year old who has never smoked and works out would be assessed on only age while an obese smoker who is 25 would only be assessed on age?


Sounds like the tax credits are based on age, not the policy cost.

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Price’s plan instead would offer fixed tax credits – pegged to a person’s age rather than their income
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 8:41 am
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7053 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 8:45 am to
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Sounds like the tax credits are based on age, not the policy cost.


The cost would have to be the same essentially, and obesity would be considered a pre-existing condition so you couldn't deny a person or charge more for it.

Income (or lack of it) is a much better consideration for the type of health of a person than age is.

This plan is DOA.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35230 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 8:52 am to
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The cost would have to be the same essentially, and obesity would be considered a pre-existing condition so you couldn't deny a person or charge more for it. Income (or lack of it) is a much better consideration for the type of health of a person than age is. This plan is DOA.


Tax credits should have a bearing on ability to pay and age is likely the best way to do that when considering a large volume of people.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20698 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 8:58 am to
Like other things I'm sure the law of unintended consequences will rear its ugly head if this goes through.

On the surface I'd say it's far better than the stupidity that is Obamacare.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
80389 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:15 am to
Thanks NC.

And for those who have been foolishly saying that there is no Republican plan, Mr. Price's plan has been around for many months.

Just because the MSM refuses to acknowledge it, doesn't mean that is doesn't exist.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74585 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:20 am to
* Price’s approach .... allows health insurers licensed to sell policies in one state to offer them to residents of other states. . . .

* The Price proposals .... would eliminate Obamacare-style mandates for insurers to include a standard package of benefits .

I like these.
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