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re: 6 Baltimore Schools Have Zero Students Proficient In State Math, English Tests
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:43 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:43 am to AggieHank86
quote:And, it goes beyond IQ.
The result Is that the public school system is left with the bottom half of the bell curve.
This concentrated human population group has been somewhat artificially created that has a MUCH higher incidence of basically every mental issue you'd NOT want a higher incidence of.
Violence. Anger. Irrationality. Lack of discipline. Lack of empathy. And on and on.
Yes. I know speaking in this why drives people nuts but it's really comical how we absolutely KNOW what doing this to ANY other population of animals results in..........but when talking about humans..........we all go hamada hamada hamada hamada
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:43 am to ShortyRob
quote:
is my assertion that for a variety of reasons in the U.S., the least survivable populations of blacks were concentrated into what are really kind of abnormal population bubbles. Things like Public housing made matters worse. Basically, we took all the people with the same negative social pathologies and put them in one spot where they breed almost exclusively among others like them.
That and the fact that “white flight” was a misnomer. It was “money flight.” So if someone who lives in an area of urban decay has the means and ability to leave, they leave.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:47 am to the808bass
quote:
That and the fact that “white flight” was a misnomer. It was “money flight.” So if someone who lives in an area of urban decay has the means and ability to leave, they leave.
Exactly. Every time two semi-retards somehow breeds a competent child who can actually function in society, that child does NOT stick around.
Again. We know what happens when this occurs in other animal populations.
Go find someone breeding Border Collies and every year, take away the top 10% while ramping up breeding among the bottom 90%.
In about 20 years, you'll have the most useless herding dogs alive.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:47 am to L.A.
quote:Gubment ran education.
Good Lord, how is that even possible?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:47 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Violence. Anger. Irrationality. Lack of discipline. Lack of empathy. And on and on.
Lack of personal responsibility is probably the biggest...
We have actually made it economical to make mistakes and bad decisions and many times the more mistakes the better the economics...
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:48 am to CarRamrod
quote:
Gubment ran education.
No one loves to rail on government more than I do
But you could multiple school funding by 10 in Baltimore and then bring in the top 1% of teachers NATIONALLY to work there...........and...........you'd barely notice a change
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:49 am to The Maj
quote:
We have actually made it economical to make mistakes and bad decisions and many times the more mistakes the better the economics...
It's like feeding your mice every time they get lost in the maze and starving the ones who successfully navigate it!
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:50 am to AggieHank86
quote:
This may be a part of the problem.
Of course it’s part of the “problem.” But I don’t have to sacrifice my kids’ future and education on the altar of society’s problem.
1) Safety - until an urban public school can provide a safe learning environment, people will look for other options
2) Middling academic outcomes - a lot of parents don’t expect to send their kids to some sort of Harvard high school. They just want their kids to learn the basics. Baltimore (and a ton of other schools) aren’t even providing middling outcomes.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:51 am to L.A.
The democrat social and welfare policies of the past have destroyed the traditional family. Welfare policies like "Aide to families with dependent children" only resulted in black families headed by single women with children fathered by different men. The policies only succeeded in creating the welfare state. Without a functioning traditional family unit with a male to instill respect for authority these black kids are out of control. Heck you're lucky if you can even get them to go to school. But they have to pass through a metal detecter first before they can enter the building. I rest my case.
We are witnessing the result of decades of failed social policies of the democrat party.
This will not end well.
We are witnessing the result of decades of failed social policies of the democrat party.
This will not end well.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 8:56 am
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:52 am to the808bass
quote:this is the PT, and some idiot like STD is about to accuse me of racism, but I am going to make an analogy to my family’s livestock herds.
That and the fact that “white flight” was a misnomer. It was “money flight.” So if someone who lives in an area of urban decay has the means and ability to leave, they leave.
Smart successful people leave these neighborhoods. Is that simple. They remove their genetics from that population. those good genetics are not being replaced from outside the population.
if I took the top 20 or 30% of my calves every year and sold all of them, and never replaced them with quality genetics from outside my herds, in 10 years (five generations) I would have the crappiest herd in the county.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:56 am to AggieHank86
quote:
livestock herds.
I understand it, you understand it... Could you imagine if POTUS tweeted something like it?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:56 am to ShortyRob
I'll save all the pearl clutchers some time and acknowledge that you all think what I'm typing here is racist.
Alas. Nope. You could achieve the same results if you took all the people from Appalachia, concentrated them into populations of hundreds of thousands, actually funded failure, and isolated them into surrounding populations of nothing but more socially competent blacks.
You'd have the double whammy of isolating the negative behavior group.............along with surround them with people far less likely to choose to breed with them. (of course, not 100%, but less likely)
Over time, you'd end up with an isolated group of white people that made those in Appalachia look like a bunch of MIT grads.
Alas. Nope. You could achieve the same results if you took all the people from Appalachia, concentrated them into populations of hundreds of thousands, actually funded failure, and isolated them into surrounding populations of nothing but more socially competent blacks.
You'd have the double whammy of isolating the negative behavior group.............along with surround them with people far less likely to choose to breed with them. (of course, not 100%, but less likely)
Over time, you'd end up with an isolated group of white people that made those in Appalachia look like a bunch of MIT grads.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:57 am to ShortyRob
quote:
But you could multiple school funding by 10 in Baltimore and then bring in the top 1% of teachers NATIONALLY to work there...........and...........you'd barely notice a change
I disagree here. The top two problems are the population demographic of the student and (this will be unpopular) the teachers.
You bring in top teachers (and administrators) and you would have a tremendous change. But failure is institutionalized in places like this. It’s only a theoretical discussion.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:57 am to ShortyRob
quote:because the gubment ran education has been successful.
But you could multiple school funding by 10 in Baltimore and then bring in the top 1% of teachers NATIONALLY to work there...........and...........you'd barely notice a change
for a government to take over a population you start with taking over education....and not educating them.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:57 am to AggieHank86
quote:Come on man. Wasn't my border collie example satisfactory!
if I took the top 20 or 30% of my calves every year and sold all of them, and never replaced them with quality genetics from outside my herds, in 10 years (five generations) I would have the crappiest herd in the county.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:00 am to jimbeam
quote:
How much is catholic high tuition again? Less than 16k
16k is the average. That average is skewed big time by one aspect:
Special Education.
I would wager an RC Cola and moon pie that a LARGE percentage of their student count is designated as SPED
(I would guess over 50%...maybe over 75%). Why...social security benefits.
What does that mean for the local school district?
The following immediately come to mind:
Higher costs (MUCH higher actually)
Lowered expectations (modifications)
Limited ability to discipline (ten days total...including sick days)
I would imagine that the average cost per "on level" student is between 4-5 grand.
The money dedicated to SPED started as a trickle in the 60's and 70's and has turned into an economic tsunami.
As for "on level" students failing, keep in mind that with "inclusion", the SPED students with "emotional or behavioral disorders" are in that class. When half the class thinks shitting on the floor is funny, the rest of the class won't be learning much. Factor in limited parental support, violent crime, and apathy, and you have schools like those in Baltimore.
I'm not saying that 16k per year isn't ridiculous...it is, I am just giving you my take on how we got to this point.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:00 am to ShortyRob
quote:we were likely composing simultaneously. remember ... broken hand.
Wasn't my border collie example satisfactory!
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:01 am to AggieHank86
quote:I figured
we were likely composing simultaneously. remember ... broken hand.
Just chuckled because other than animal choice, they're the same post
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:07 am to ShortyRob
I would argue that it is even worse than either of us has described.
Remember, the population of these neighborhoods is not static, entirely. The failures from elsewhere also end up moving to these housing projects.
Thus, not only are you talking about an existing population that has bred for failure (or at least mediocrity), you’re adding failures from elsewhere.
Imagine your Collie pack or my cattle herd being “enhanced” by adding in the culls from other breeders.
Remember, the population of these neighborhoods is not static, entirely. The failures from elsewhere also end up moving to these housing projects.
Thus, not only are you talking about an existing population that has bred for failure (or at least mediocrity), you’re adding failures from elsewhere.
Imagine your Collie pack or my cattle herd being “enhanced” by adding in the culls from other breeders.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 9:08 am
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:08 am to jimmy the leg
quote:
Limited ability to discipline
The 10 day limit has pretty much spread to all kids, SPED or not.
I looked at the Baltimore budget, and they noted that one of their largest growing populations was exactly what you said - SPED. The second largest growing population? ELL students.
Also, when you have a $2.1B budget, I’d guess there’s 10-15% just pure waste that could be cut without any change to the district other than their FTE count.
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