re: 4 things Trump can do immediately to stabilize our economy and crime

A lot of these people you call “rapists” and “drug dealers”. Are people that come here to pick fruit, roof, whatever. Under the table. And then go home when they get paid.


The idea that if we deport 12,000,000 illegals ( who will take probably 12,000,000 more dependents and spouses with them) and unemployed Americans will then take up roofing, masonry, landscaping, farming, childcare, cleaning, etc. is wishful thinking. If they were willing and able to do so they would already be working.

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Ok, authoritarian. I guess if you can’t leave in 2 months, due to health or some other issue. You’re no longer eligible to EVER get citizenship.

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Ruling based on the rarest exceptions is the dumbest thing you can ever do as a policy maker.

And coming here illegally should ALREADY prevent you from ever gaining citizenship.

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1. Implement his previous energy policy. Gas and energy prices come down and eventually prices of every day goods slide down too.

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I'm not sure what energy policies he could implement to lower oil prices right now. Resume construction of the Keystone XL pipeline so Canadian oil can get to Houston faster??

We are pumping oil at record rates, and our refineries are at full capacity. Even if you convince oil companies to expand their refineries, they aren't coming online overnight.

Trump was really good at sucking up to the Saudis, though. He got them to increase production early in his term, and got them to cut production during COVID. Maybe he can get them to open their spigot again (which might hurt our oil companies, but gas prices would come down).

And even if our energy prices come down, the price of everyday goods will not follow. There may be a few exceptions on some products, and maybe more sales and rebates, but deflation is not happening.

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Americans will then take up roofing, masonry, landscaping, farming, childcare, cleaning, etc. is wishful thinking. If they were willing and able to do so they would already be working.

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Who do you think were doing those jobs before? I know plenty of landscapers, farmers, & bricklayers who are not illegal immigrants.

people can't illegally travel, legally yes, morally, philosophically, ethically no people are not illegal for traveling.


Listen, You could have as much immigration as you want as long as there weren't programs that give free shite away.

The problem isn't immigration, it's the welfare state.

You know that’s true.

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The problem isn't immigration, it's the welfare state.

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The welfare state is on steroids for “asylees.” And the welfare state is as likely to be done away with as women’s right to vote is done away with.

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So you agree, that if someone cannot return due to a health issue, or similar circumstance. They should be declined the chance of bettering their life. By becoming a US citizen. For life?

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I agree that:

1. Nobody who is a citizen of a foreign country has a right to come here, nor do we have an obligation to let them, whether it betters their life or not. The betterment of their life is not anybody's obligation in America.

2. People who are here illegally are criminals and if we really wanted to stop illegal immigration we'd make it a crime punishable by some jail time instead of a crime punishable by nothing. I don't believe in a retributive theory of justice, but I do believe in a deterrent theory of justice. I think losing the opportunity to come in legally is an extremely soft and light punishment for the crime of illegal entry.

3. If she had any intention of coming in legally, why didn't she apply for legal entry in the first place? The fact that she didn't tells me the chances that she ever would are approaching zero. So I don't think she's lost anything and I think she's gained hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical care courtesy of John and Jane Q. American citizen.

4. It makes exactly zero sense to let in millions of people illegally "so they can better their lives" when doing so puts a strain on the infrastructure to the point that it actually decreases the quality of life of our own citizens. And if you don't think it is, just ask citizens in New York, Arizona, Texas, etc., etc. They'll tell you it is.

5. You didn't answer my question from before. Should a felon retain all of his or her rights, including 2nd amendment rights, after having paid his/her debt to society? After all, unlike illegal immigrants, those were rights they were guaranteed by the constitution. Some people would say that they proved they weren't worthy of such rights and that being convicted of certain crimes means they forfeit them. Just like someone who broke the law to come here might forfeit their opportunity to do so legally.

That's what I agree with.

It's very odd that your heart bleeds so much for illegal immigrants, yet you want to get rid of the social safety net for Americans.

Your first point. So your own ancestors should have been declined entry into the US? It wasn’t the natives obligation to allow you to enter. And better your lives.

This country would be hurting without immigrants.

Your 2nd point. A lot of these people come here to work on work visas. And when they expire. They become a “undocumented immigrant”.

Believe it or not. Not everyone comes over here to kill, rape, and steal.

I never said. Let millions in here. I’m objecting the insane “60 days to leave or no citizen ship ever”.



“Any issue of welfare use should be addressed by reducing access to government programs, not by further reducing the liberty of immigrants and the native-?born to cooperate for mutual advantage. Indeed, statistics indicate that immigrants take advantage of welfare programs at a rate only slightly higher than do native-?born Americans.”

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