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re: 2020 state filing deadlines + HRC and Michelle Obama (brokered convention?)
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:42 am to IrishTiger89
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:42 am to IrishTiger89
Warren’s path to victory, as of this morning, is watching Bernie and Biden destruct due to Bernie’s statement that Biden’s corruption is not an issue.
The Bernie Bots are losing their shite as a result and are trending a bunch of stuff on Biden’s corruption in response.
This may end up being the beginning of the end for both.
Buttgieg? I think that the party would try to knock him over the top on the second ballot if he is still around come the convention.
He will do well in a lot of white states but will do poorly, a la Bernie, in states with a lot of black voters like South Carolina.
The Bernie Bots are losing their shite as a result and are trending a bunch of stuff on Biden’s corruption in response.
This may end up being the beginning of the end for both.
Buttgieg? I think that the party would try to knock him over the top on the second ballot if he is still around come the convention.
He will do well in a lot of white states but will do poorly, a la Bernie, in states with a lot of black voters like South Carolina.
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:46 am to teke184
If Biden falters, I think his support ends up in the Bloomberg camp (plus MB has the resources to go after and absorb it)
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:51 am to IrishTiger89
Bloomberg and Steyer have a ton of resources but little actual support.
Bloomberg’s refusal to take individual donations so he could end up in the debate compounds things, IMHO, because it is hard to take a guy seriously in a crowded field who won’t make an attempt to qualify for debates.
Bloomberg’s refusal to take individual donations so he could end up in the debate compounds things, IMHO, because it is hard to take a guy seriously in a crowded field who won’t make an attempt to qualify for debates.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:52 am to teke184
quote:Each State has exact requirements that have to be met by exact calendar dates. The politicians intentionally have it constructed this way to prevent 3rd party candidates entering the overall political processes.
What’s the state going to do, not have the Democrat candidate on their ballot in November?
Ron Paul, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, others, have all fallen victim to these deadlines in some states and have indeed been prevented on pre-printed state ballots or to even qualify as a write--in (not legal in every state). Ron Paul sued Texas and lost over missing a deadline while Obama the next election cycle missed it and was allowed on ballot (Texas cited nonsense about due to incumbency not included in the statute).
The Dim Party would certainly fracture into different parties if these statutes in different states across the nation were violated by some "messiah" candidate not declared somehow vying for the office at the last minute.
At this point, they could each and every Dim candidate be caught in a wine cellar cave together eating murdered children while having an orgy and no Dim candidate would be allowed to enter (might have the dropouts be able to restart though as they probably met the filing deadlines).
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:54 am to teke184
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Court of public opinion, which in this case means astroturfed Dem supporters in Harrisburg screaming that the state disenfranchised them.
The state may be following the law but the Dems, and their supporters, won’t accept that. They’ll expect a Torricelli style exception for themselves.
Your speculations are intriguing.
But I am asking if anyone out there KNOWS the answer?? How does one get on a ballot if they have missed a filing deadline?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:19 am to JPinLondon
quote:Depends on if one is THE major party candidate or a lesser candidate or 3rd party candidate.
But I am asking if anyone out there KNOWS the answer?? How does one get on a ballot if they have missed a filing deadline?
For example: LINK Lib Party in 2008 candidate Bob Barr was the ONLY Candidate Who actually Did meet the deadline. Yet the R and D were on the ballot anyway in violation of the State Law. (link is Lib Party press release over everyone else failing deadline)
Just shows how screwed up the entire process has become. Yet more proof that everything politicians do is intentionally screwed up.
The need for government is proven by the government creating conditions that need government.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:45 am to JPinLondon
quote:imagine what that room would smell like. Cross between stale pee-soaked depends and a monkey case cage
HRC and Michelle Obama
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:45 am to JPinLondon
I tend to agree with you regarding the popularity of Michelle Obama. I seriously think a Biden/Obama ticket is a possibility.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:48 am to JPinLondon
Oprah?? Haha. At least Hillary ran for something.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:51 am to Sidicous
So they can’t make it on the ballots lawfully, but may anyway. Some beacon of democracy we’ve become.... 
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:56 am to JPinLondon
quote:
How does one get on a ballot if they have missed a filing deadline?
Presidential race is a different bird. It's not like your typical race outside of LA where you have party primary, party runoff if needed, and general election.
My understanding is the filing deadlines mentioned only apply to the delegate election primaries.
For the presidential race, it's a whole new election, with different rules and different dates.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:02 am to JPinLondon
The 4 remaining "real" candidates (Bernie, Biden, the Indian, and the Mayor) all seem to appeal to different parts of the Dem party.
Biden has the DNC / moderate Dems
Bernie has most of the socialists / those wanting major economic change
The Indian has the rest of the socialist and the "OMG we need a woman president" crowd
The Mayor has the bathroom liberals and some of the elites
No one really has the black vote and this hispanic vote, although I think by default the black vote would go to Biden.
But given the election calendar and how delegates are allocated, I think there is a decent shot that no one gets over the threshhold before the convention, especially with supers not voting in the first round.
Who knows how the supers will go? I would think Biden as many of the supers seem to be DNC establishment types.
This isn't 1948 and conventions meeting in closed rooms. The idea of a brokered convention in the tv and internet age is absolutely fascinating to me.
Biden has the DNC / moderate Dems
Bernie has most of the socialists / those wanting major economic change
The Indian has the rest of the socialist and the "OMG we need a woman president" crowd
The Mayor has the bathroom liberals and some of the elites
No one really has the black vote and this hispanic vote, although I think by default the black vote would go to Biden.
But given the election calendar and how delegates are allocated, I think there is a decent shot that no one gets over the threshhold before the convention, especially with supers not voting in the first round.
Who knows how the supers will go? I would think Biden as many of the supers seem to be DNC establishment types.
This isn't 1948 and conventions meeting in closed rooms. The idea of a brokered convention in the tv and internet age is absolutely fascinating to me.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:24 am to JPinLondon
quote:
the filing deadlines have come and gone
come on - the idea is that it will be a brokered convention -
NONE of this clown car will get enough votes to win the nomination - (the movers in the smoke filled rooms will see to that)
THEN after a couple of planned futile floor votes, they will go into conference and come out with a 'consensus' nominee
MICHELLE OBAMA
I've been saying this since the slow car first filled up - Had some qualms that Kamala could have been the "chosen" one - but she gutted herself in the first turn.
SO - its back to OBAMA <==== sadly this might carry the day
OBAMA still a revered saint amongst the democrats.
MICHELE has no actual record to pile on.
She BLACK if you didn;t already know.
And she got's a pussy (supposedly - and if she DON'T then it is walk-off HR)
Gonna be Michele.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:29 pm to FlySaint
quote:Banana Republic indeed.
So they can’t make it on the ballots lawfully, but may anyway. Some beacon of democracy we’ve become....
Google up "Obama misses deadline", "McCain misses deadline", "GW misses deadline"....all of them missed multiple state deadlines to appear on ballot per actual statutory law and yet always were placed on the ballot.
It goes decades further back than these though. The 3rd party candidates lawsuits either get settled by legislation post election specifically targeting the lawsuits or by courts mandating from the bench disregarding the law. Yet try throwing a candy wrapper on the grounds of the WH and you or I would be hauled away in shackles.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:43 pm to JPinLondon
quote:
Makes sense I suppose... but are you saying a state (say, Pennsylvania) has to accept the decision of a political party at a convention that "overrules" their own filing deadline?
You're not voting for the nominee. You're really voting for the D or R (or Green or Libertarian) slate of electors. They'll vote for the nominee.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:26 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The idea that Michelle Obama would make any sense to be candidate is hilarious.
Not sure about OPs state filing deadlines in case of a brokered convention, but I wouldn't just cut Michelle running to the ditch.
Once upon a time, Alabama had a governor named George Wallace, who had served 2 consecutive terms, and by law could not run again. His wife, Lurlene, ran and won, with the Alabama voters knowing that this was actually a 3rd term for George.
Oblamer has a HUGE ego, and sees his legacy being destroyed. There is no doubt that Michelle enjoyed the perks of being FLOTUS. Don't be too surprised if he uses that ploy to try for a 3rd term.
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