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re: 2/3's of Southern GOP'ers want to secede and nearly half of western Democrats want to
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:15 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:15 pm to Pettifogger
Not to be difficult, but I don't think most of those are accurate (will get to that in a second). Even if they were, though, the majority of them are not political philosophies, they are social philosophies.
One by one:
1. Nationalism—American nationalism certainly began to be questioned in the 60s in conjunction with the Vietnam War controversy, which rose to a fever pitch by the early 70s, and the rise of the environmental movement in the 70s and the acknowledgment of the US' role in environmental pollution, Watergate, which tremendously undermined citizens' confidence in our government, the push for multiculturalism and "diversity" was huge in the 70s.
I agree that the word "nationalism" hadn't become verboten by then, but the concepts were alive and kicking.
2. Family. The divorce rate more than doubled (actually almost tripled) between 1965 and 1979. "Blended families" and single parents were socially normalized on t.v. The top ten types of families (two parents with one child, two parents with two children, one parent with one child, etc.) accounted for 83% of families in 1970 and 85% of the families in 2014. Again, no one was talking about gay people raising kids in 1975, but that's a popular topic today that happens to affect almost no one. The LGBTQ+ community is still very small, it just gets a wildly disproportionate amount of attention these days.
Roe v Wade happened in 1973.
3. Race relations—I'm not sure what you mean by this. Black colleges that excluded whites were promoted heavily in the 1970s. Remember "A black mind is a terrible thing to waste?" Though they peaked in the late 60s, the Black Panthers didn't disband until 1982; they were active during the entire decade of the 70s. The Nation of Islam was at it's peak in the mid-70s.
4. I'll give you this one.
5. If what we're talking about is eminent domain, that began to be eroded well prior to the 1970s. Berman v Parker, which is what really got the ED ball rolling happened in 1954. And the next huge nail in that coffin happened in 1978—the Penn Central decision.
BTW, Trump planned to use imminent domain to seize land to build his border wall. And that's a good example of what I'm talking about. Trump and Bernie Sanders could have a beer and get a long just fine if they talked about eminent domain and trade tariffs. Nary a cross word between them.
6. Not sure how much the state endorsed religion by the 70s, even if we restrict the definition of religion to the Christian religion. But again, the social cracks in the foundation of traditional religious institutions began before the 1970s. Remember the "Is God Dead" Time magazine cover? That was 1966. I won't dispute that the numbers of the religious have steadily decreased since then, but I do think it's worth noting that it had already started before the 70s.
Productivity and merit—Affirmative action started with Kennedy in 1961 and by the 1970s was being aggressively applied to college admissions. And there were plenty of communists in the 1970s. Remember Patty Hearst? Those "Liberation Armies?"
I don't know, man. I think what's mostly different now is perception. JMO.
One by one:
1. Nationalism—American nationalism certainly began to be questioned in the 60s in conjunction with the Vietnam War controversy, which rose to a fever pitch by the early 70s, and the rise of the environmental movement in the 70s and the acknowledgment of the US' role in environmental pollution, Watergate, which tremendously undermined citizens' confidence in our government, the push for multiculturalism and "diversity" was huge in the 70s.
I agree that the word "nationalism" hadn't become verboten by then, but the concepts were alive and kicking.
2. Family. The divorce rate more than doubled (actually almost tripled) between 1965 and 1979. "Blended families" and single parents were socially normalized on t.v. The top ten types of families (two parents with one child, two parents with two children, one parent with one child, etc.) accounted for 83% of families in 1970 and 85% of the families in 2014. Again, no one was talking about gay people raising kids in 1975, but that's a popular topic today that happens to affect almost no one. The LGBTQ+ community is still very small, it just gets a wildly disproportionate amount of attention these days.
Roe v Wade happened in 1973.
3. Race relations—I'm not sure what you mean by this. Black colleges that excluded whites were promoted heavily in the 1970s. Remember "A black mind is a terrible thing to waste?" Though they peaked in the late 60s, the Black Panthers didn't disband until 1982; they were active during the entire decade of the 70s. The Nation of Islam was at it's peak in the mid-70s.
4. I'll give you this one.
5. If what we're talking about is eminent domain, that began to be eroded well prior to the 1970s. Berman v Parker, which is what really got the ED ball rolling happened in 1954. And the next huge nail in that coffin happened in 1978—the Penn Central decision.
BTW, Trump planned to use imminent domain to seize land to build his border wall. And that's a good example of what I'm talking about. Trump and Bernie Sanders could have a beer and get a long just fine if they talked about eminent domain and trade tariffs. Nary a cross word between them.
6. Not sure how much the state endorsed religion by the 70s, even if we restrict the definition of religion to the Christian religion. But again, the social cracks in the foundation of traditional religious institutions began before the 1970s. Remember the "Is God Dead" Time magazine cover? That was 1966. I won't dispute that the numbers of the religious have steadily decreased since then, but I do think it's worth noting that it had already started before the 70s.
Productivity and merit—Affirmative action started with Kennedy in 1961 and by the 1970s was being aggressively applied to college admissions. And there were plenty of communists in the 1970s. Remember Patty Hearst? Those "Liberation Armies?"
I don't know, man. I think what's mostly different now is perception. JMO.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:59 pm to LSUconvert
quote:much of that money that comes from the Fed us for welfare reimbursements.
2/3's of southern GOP have zero knowledge about where their state gets any money with which to operate the state government
That shite would be minimized substantially in a new south.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:20 pm to Eightballjacket
The moves states need to make is build up their gold/silver reserves, as well as make behind the scenes moves to secure support from the likes of China and Russia.
Also, what would a new country look like? What is to prevent it from becoming USA Part II?
Also, what would a new country look like? What is to prevent it from becoming USA Part II?
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:28 pm to MAADFACTS
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it would cease to be a country at all
Good.
Only fools can't see that this is already inevitable.
Democrats are rapidly turning into Communists. I don't want to live around Communists. They aren't even people.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:48 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Also, what would a new country look like? What is to prevent it from becoming USA Part II?
Border control. Don’t automatically become a citizen by virtue of birth.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:33 pm to Eightballjacket
Since Jan 6th failed - I only acknowledge TN as my country
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:37 pm to Eightballjacket
Border control is dicey and can work both ways. Not sure you can prove it's effective or ideal either. China comes to mind.
I'm with you on birthright citizenship though. I propose our head of state be an orphan raised by the Amish. I also thing small towns and the like should have the right to secede.
I'm with you on birthright citizenship though. I propose our head of state be an orphan raised by the Amish. I also thing small towns and the like should have the right to secede.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:38 pm to NashvilleTider
Thomas Jefferson never referred to himself as American, just Virginian.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 9:10 am to The Maj
Can't give up Alaska. The commies would leave the door wide open to our adversaries.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 9:21 am to Zarkinletch416
I want from catersville GA to western PA along the Appalachia mountains with enough of the foothills to be sustainable. It’s got enough natural resources, monolithic culture, it’s defensible with a great history, manufacturing base, and can feed itself.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:02 am to MrLSU
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How expensive will this Wall cost us because the Mexico wall wasn't cheap and we aren't even finished with that one yet.
That Mexico wall is far cheaper than what those parasites cost us every year.
Why don't you know that?
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:14 am to The Maj
Looks like Igor Panarin may yet turn out to be correct. Just 25 or 30 years off of his prediction.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:23 am to LSUconvert
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2/3's of southern GOP have zero knowledge about where their state gets any money with which to operate the state government.
It’s not about money.
It’s about saving our culture, and our way of life.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:31 am to Lima Whiskey
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It’s about saving our culture
Which culture is it you think is being saved?
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:45 am to LSUconvert
The only one that matters to me. The South.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:52 am to tide06
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Everyone wants a divorce because no compromise is possible between the two viewpoints that wouldn’t result in tyranny for the other side.
Yeah, Biden saying it doesn’t matter who votes but who counts the votes means war is inevitable if not already here.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:53 am to The Maj
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So, Virginia is skewing the numbers... Give the south West Virginia and give the northeast Virginia...
Also Alaska to Mountain.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:55 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:
It’s not about money
Don't let anyone fool you, the South can support itself financially if Washington determined spending is no longer mandatory
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