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re: 2/3's of Southern GOP'ers want to secede and nearly half of western Democrats want to
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:29 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:29 pm to wackatimesthree
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I ask because while I see far more hostility between the two sides now than ever before, I actually think the two sides are closer on political philosophy now than they were when I was a kid in the 70s.
In the 70s you had a huge swath of the country who viewed nationalism or what America offered to the world as a good thing. Family was still generally viewed as the most important institution in the country. Race relations were being increasingly driven by a colorblind approach. Bedrock concepts like "male-female" or that parents should have the final say in the choices of their minor children weren't questioned or under attack. Property rights were revered by both the average person and the state. Religion was a core of community and more or less endorsed by the state as a valuable part of our fabric. Productivity and merit were considered virtues, not antiquated and hostile values.
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:29 pm to deltaland
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For comparison prior to the revolutionary war only like 25% supported breaking away from Britain
Many of the founding fathers were masters of the media in their day. The left controls the media today and they wouldn't let succession talk be on the nightly news for years.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:34 pm to LB84
The challenges will just be so much different
There was gentlemanly loyalty to the crown held by a huge number of respectable men in the colonies that formed a huge barrier to the revolution. The equivalent barrier now will be people worried about being cut off from Instagram.
There was gentlemanly loyalty to the crown held by a huge number of respectable men in the colonies that formed a huge barrier to the revolution. The equivalent barrier now will be people worried about being cut off from Instagram.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:36 pm to LuckyTiger
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Now is the time to work together to realize our visions.
We must throw off the chains of our yankee oppressors!
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:40 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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The worst...The End of College Football....
I’d get rid of CFB immediately if it means the US would be a great country again
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:41 pm to deltaland
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There are only 2 outcomes, war or peaceful separation.
This is a false dichotomy fallacy. Why are you limiting this to one of only two possible (in your mind) outcomes?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:44 pm to Old Money
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I’d get rid of CFB immediately if it means the US would be a great country again
I say we get rid of it, then split...
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:46 pm to CU_Tigers4life
How expensive will this Wall cost us because the Mexico wall wasn't cheap and we aren't even finished with that one yet.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:49 pm to Blackie LeBlanc
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This is a false dichotomy fallacy. Why are you limiting this to one of only two possible (in your mind) outcomes?
You're right, there is a third
That one of the sides fails and becomes overwhelmed by the second, either converting or living under the yoke of those who loathe them and what they believe in
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:00 pm to CU_Tigers4life
Never trust the polls!
We should drive them all the way to Baja, they can take that.
We should drive them all the way to Baja, they can take that.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:06 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Two-thirds of Republicans in the South say they favor seceding from the Union
Nearly half of Democrats in the Pacific region - 47% - also back secession
Findings are from survey conducted by Bright Line Watch and YouGov
Overall, 44% of Americans in the South said they would favor seceding from US
Survey divides respondents into geographical regions that could form countries
I mean when one side of the political spectrum with the help of the media insists on rehashing the civil war, and everything moving forward is it any wonder that we’ve come full circle of secession??
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:08 pm to MrLSU
Actually, walls are not very costly in the grand scheme and they have a positive economic impact while lowering social spending costs. The border wall was basically $20 million per mile and thus 50 miles cost $1 Billion. We currently spend over $18 Billion just on Healthcare for illegals. That's enough for 900 miles right there and that's in 1 year. Build a proper wall and it lasts decades.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:23 pm to SCLibertarian
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The South Carolinian in me cannot agree with you, even if you may be right.
Mom is from SC, Dad was from Texas. There is true wisdom in the statement that great brisket is better than great pork.
I love pulled pork btw and actually have a side catering business that specializes in making pulled pork with "pig" in the name of the business. Still a great brisket is as good as eating at a fine steakhouse if not better, brisket is a hell of a lot more complicated and unforgiving than pork though to cook and even in Texas you are at best taking a 50/50 gamble that you are getting good much less great brisket at a restaurant.
Anyone that thinks pulled pork is superior to brisket has simply never had great brisket or has really weird taste buds. It's basically like saying you like a great pork chop instead of a filet or ribeye.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:42 pm to Pettifogger
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There was gentlemanly loyalty to the crown held by a huge number of respectable men in the colonies that formed a huge barrier to the revolution. The equivalent barrier now will be people worried about being cut off from Instagram.
You already see stuff in this thread like "Guess we'll just let China dominate the world." The founders faced the same type of sentiment when the loyalists would proclaim "who will protect us from the Natives, French, and the Spanish?"
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:44 pm to tide06
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that wouldn’t result in tyranny for the other side.
BS, tyranny comes from one side and one side alone.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:52 pm to Pettifogger
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You're right, there is a third
This is also a false dichotomy as there are certainly any number of other possible scenarios.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:46 pm to PsychTiger
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Instead of all of us going to Texas, why don't we get the soy boys and blue haired girls and their children to leave our states and go to the commie states?
You can do that, and it would probably happen naturally; but that doesn’t get around the fact that none of those states are financially solvent and while even that can be overcome, it probably can’t be overcome if the plan is to shut down all trade and immigration. It doesn’t matter what a people’s work ethic is if no one wants to bring or is able to bring capital investments into an area.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:49 pm to Old Money
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I’d get rid of CFB immediately if it means the US would be a great country again
Agreed but by definition the US would not only not be a great country again, but it would cease to be a country at all
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:50 pm to CU_Tigers4life
2/3's of southern GOP have zero knowledge about where their state gets any money with which to operate the state government.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:57 pm to CDawson
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BS, tyranny comes from one side and one side alone.
Nah, it just seems that way because you only agree with one side. Red states overrule the wishes of the blue cities within them all the time. The whole reason the courts are so important to both sides is that both sides want to use them to dictate legislation that wouldn’t be popular enough to get votes in an actual election. The courts are the reason the national temperature is so inflamed right now. Instead of seceding the Supreme Court should just be abolished or have its role diminished to procedural shite so that the people can rule themselves directly again and so that if a duly elected president and congress pass a law, it can be implemented and if they can’t pass a law, it doesn’t get implemented. This alone would keep the federal government from ever passing anything t again in our lifetimes and we could all go on with our lives and just ignore Washington
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