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re: 11 shot and 1 dead in Myrtle Beach mass shooting over the weekend. No news coverage.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Define "mass shooter"?
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:08 pm to BBONDS25
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Again…where are you getting your information and what is your definition?
The definition:
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The Congressional Research Service has defined a public mass shooting as a “a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms”, not including the shooter(s), “within one event, and [where] at least some of the murders occurred in a public location or locations in close geographical proximity (e.g., a workplace, school, restaurant, or other public settings), and the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).”
The information:
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Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American.
LINK
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Between 1982 and September 2024, 82 out of the 151 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 26 mass shootings, and Latino in 12. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 54 percent, 17 percent, and eight percent respectively.
MUH PER CAPITA....is irrelevant. My statement was, again, and I quote:
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Mass shooters are more likely to be black than white?
Who still thinks my statement is inaccurate? If so, please provide data. If my sources above are incorrect, I have no problem admitting so.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:09 pm to BBONDS25
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Don’t hide the ball. Where are you getting your information? I’m interested to find the actual answer.
Dude, I'm not some expert with access to secret databases. My sources are one google search away, my friend.....
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:10 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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and the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).”
Got it. So if you eliminate gang violence or arguments mass shootings shooters are more likely to be white than black.
What if you don’t eliminate those and just call them 4 dead people from a single incident?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:10 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Dude, I'm not some expert with access to secret databases. My sources are one google search away, my friend.....
I simply asked you to provide the basis for your claims. Which you provided. No need to get pissy.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:13 pm to BBONDS25
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So if you eliminate gang violence or arguments mass shootings shooters are more likely to be white than black.
Seems like you have beef with whoever defined what a "mass shooting" is. 'Twasn't me.
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What if you don’t eliminate those and just call them 4 dead people from a single incident?
Why would we change the definition of mass shooter?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:14 pm to BBONDS25
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I simply asked you to provide the basis for your claims. Which you provided. No need to get pissy.
Fair enough. My pissiness was a bit unwarranted
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Seems like you have beef with whoever defined what a "mass shooting" is. 'Twasn't me.
I don’t have a beef with anyone. Just wanting to learn. I wonder why the study eliminated those types of shootings. I read the abstract and it didn’t explain why those weren’t included. It just seems strange to me and I would like to see the raw numbers.
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Why would we change the definition of mass shooter?
Why does the motivation or underlying events of 4 people or more getting shot need to be parsed to define mass shooting? I have no agenda here. I’m genuinely curious.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:21 pm to onmymedicalgrind
You and your kind have changed the definition.
Mass
Shooter
So if 1 gang banger drivebys and kills 4 or more people, you don't consider that a mass shooting?
Mass
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A large but nonspecific amount or number.
Shooter
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One who shoots, as an archer or a gunman.
So if 1 gang banger drivebys and kills 4 or more people, you don't consider that a mass shooting?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:26 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Does it?
Weird that no one commented this way anfter any of the times there were shootings at Trump events.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:33 pm to BBONDS25
I see the man’s argument. I think it’s a valid point but, it’s not the law enforcement that’s the problem it’s the ACLU and the SPLC that forces the media to account it differently.
One group elevated above others in perception.
My o2c
One group elevated above others in perception.
My o2c
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:08 pm to BBONDS25
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I don’t have a beef with anyone. Just wanting to learn. I wonder why the study eliminated those types of shootings. I read the abstract and it didn’t explain why those weren’t included. It just seems strange to me and I would like to see the raw numbers.
I will say, that was just one source. Here are some other similar definition without the stipulations you noted prior:
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‘‘(I) the term ‘mass killings’ means 3 or more
killings in a single incident; and
‘‘(II) the term ‘place of public use’ has the meaning
given that term under section 2332f(e)(6) of title 18,
United States Code.’’.
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Since 2013, the source defines a mass shooting as any single attack in a public place with three or more fatalities, in line with the definition by the FBI. Before 2013, a mass shooting was defined as any single attack in a public place with four or more fatalities.
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Why does the motivation or underlying events of 4 people or more getting shot need to be parsed to define mass shooting? I have no agenda here. I’m genuinely curious.
No clue. My guess is that, if 4 people are killed during a planned but botched bank robbery or during a gang shootout at a 7/11, the FBI would rather classify those events as "bank robberies" or "gang violence." Your point is a fair one though--why not classify as both (ie mass shooting, subtype gang violence or something like that)
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:10 pm to BarberitosDawg
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I see the man’s argument. I think it’s a valid point
Of course its a valid point.
I made the (obvious) statement that mass shooters are more likely to be white than black. A bunch of the PB simpletons jumped on me, but have since quivered away when presented with data. BBONDS is the only one who stuck around for good faith discussion.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:14 pm to 4cubbies
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Weird that no one commented this way anfter any of the times there were shootings at Trump events.
What shootings are you referring to?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Only when you allow leftists to define “mass shooter”.
Guess what happens when you change the criteria from 4 victims to 3 or 2.
Guess what happens when you change the criteria from 4 victims to 3 or 2.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:16 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Mass shooters are more likely to be black than white?
by a bunch.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:25 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Go ask an ER nurse or a cop who commits more mass shootings, you stupid frick.
People like you are why this country is doomed. You idiots can never be honest.
Blacks commit more mass shootings in a weekend in this country than any other race in an entire year.
People like you are why this country is doomed. You idiots can never be honest.
Blacks commit more mass shootings in a weekend in this country than any other race in an entire year.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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onmymedicalgrind
Mr DEI himself makes an appearance
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:31 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Gotta love the poliboard, where we hate blacks so much that we can't even admit that mass shooters are more likely to be white...
Depends on how you define "mass shooters"
If you EXCLUDE gang violence, the numbers are as follows:
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Mass Shooters by Race:
Demographics of Assailants 1966-2024
Report Highlights: Black and white males, excluding gang violence, have the highest rates of mass shootings among demographic groups, with 0.09 incidents per 100,000 people.
White Americans committed 53% of the 195 mass shootings between 1966 and 2024.
Black Americans committed 21% of all targeted mass public shootings between 1966 and 2024.
Across all racial groups, 98% of mass shooters are male
But why would we want to exclude gang violence in compiling these statistics? Dead is dead. Who GAF if the shooter was in a gang or not? Evidently someone cares a lot, because the numbers are hard to find. The caveat is simply, but always, given that the numbers EXCLUDE gang violence
Per capita, the numbers break down like this:
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:35 pm to L.A.
mass shooting and mass murder need to be broken out.
the shooting we are talking about isn't counted as a mass shooting because they don't hold a weapon properly or aim very well.
the shooting we are talking about isn't counted as a mass shooting because they don't hold a weapon properly or aim very well.
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