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ChineseBandit58
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? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
I had my routine lymphoma follow-up session yesterday. The Dr. reported that I was still in remission - BUT he warned me sternly about wearing a mask! (I had already told him I only wore it when absolutely required)

He made two points that I have not heard discussed before:
- about the aerosol effect - he said that it is not the size of the virus, (admitted it was smaller than mesh) - he said that it was the electrostatic effect - that the virus was attracted to the mesh and adhered to it.

- the second point was peculiar to my situation - that one of the chemos - (retuxinab to be specific) -that I had been on in my earlier treatment effectively destroyed my immune system relative to the COVID risk - and implored me to not take any chances.

NOW - aside from my total belief in him relative to my lymphoma I know that he has always been a COVID fanatic from the very beginning - and I have not attempted to argue any of my points with him directly.

I do rely on what he says relative to my specific treatment however.

Wonder if any of our other experts on here had any input on the ELECTROSTATIC effect.

T.I.A.
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BobABooey
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
Did you point out to this idiotic doctor that we wear masks to protect others, including our most vulnerable loved ones? Find a new doctor who doesn’t buy into QAnon conspiracy theories.


ezride25
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
I just want to applaud you on your measured and rational approach to all of this. Wish there were more of you out there.



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tzimme4
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QAnon conspiracy theories.

There's no such thing as "QAnon" that's a liberal made up talking point word
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NC_Tigah
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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- about the aerosol effect - he said that it is not the size of the virus, (admitted it was smaller than mesh) - he said that it was the electrostatic effect - that the virus was attracted to the mesh and adhered to it.
An n95 mask presumably?


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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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He made two points that I have not heard discussed before:
- about the aerosol effect


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CamdenTiger
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
Masks don’t work, we knew this early on that filtration would necessitate N95, worn correctly, tightly sealed. Then, eye protection. While there maybe electro static attraction, it also happens with your eye lashes, and you blink, the virus travels through your nasal-lacromal duct right to the back of your throat. So, there’s a reason these normal masks you see don’t work, not that they don’t reduce transmission, but from the studies out, they only show a minimal reduction of transmission from 2-9%, because the virus can easily get through, around, or just land right on your eye…..


ChineseBandit58
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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An n95 mask presumably?


I asked if it should be an n95 - he said that was no improvement - was hard over on the electrostatic effect.



ChineseBandit58
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idiotic doctor

not in the least - one of the most respected doctors in at MDA.

Look - he was genuinely worried about my particular situation - and his personal beliefs I leave to him.

I was not there to argue mask effectiveness. I was there to get his genuine advice on how I should proceed relative to my specific cancer treatments.

If you think that is the place to argue over something like this, you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

This is not some busy-body in a Wal-mart ragging on me for not wearing a mask.

get a life.


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lagallifrey
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I asked if it should be an n95 - he said that was no improvement - was hard over on the electrostatic effect.


This is completely false. N95 are vastly superior to surgical masks, which are superior to cloth masks. Cloth masks offer little if any protection to this virus, regardless of the electrostatic effect. He was just trying to convince you to wear it and the electrostatic effect sounds sciency.


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gothamdawg
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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I do rely on what he says relative to my specific treatment however.


First, wishing you a quick and full recovery.

From what I know, it's usually N95 masks that have the electrostatic effect (they also have a tighter fit) that attracts particles to the surface of the mask, and prevents them from sneaking through.

Interesting that you trust him for a condition that threatens your life, but not regarding masking or Covid. If I had your condition, I would listen to his advice.


deathvalleytiger10
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
Next time tell him you want to show people the research behind what he is saying because they don't believe you. Ask him to provide that research for you.

He probably has his own theory that he is preaching to you, but I doubt he can support it with scientific research.


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ChineseBandit58
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Masks don’t work, we knew this early on that filtration would necessitate N95, worn correctly, tightly sealed


This pretty much sums up my understanding on masks - I have always thought they were for not spreading the virus - not so much as protection for the wearer.

He pretty much dismissed that attitude however - but I am not totally convinced. That is why I turned to my go-to spot for stuff like this -

I am pretty good at sorting thru the trash - and appreciate all genuine responses.

Thanks for the
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they only show a minimal reduction of transmission from 2-9%,
and that is what I am cautiously using as my risk factor.


NC_Tigah
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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I asked if it should be an n95 - he said that was no improvement - was hard over on the electrostatic effect.
No words.
Let's just say if he told you that, he's mistaken.

If your concern is self-protection, get an n95.

...... and congrats on your clean bill of health!


ChineseBandit58
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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Cloth masks offer little if any protection to this virus, regardless of the electrostatic effect.


yep - still my take on it - but I am still awaiting some opposite news.

I will be a tad more cautious than I have been - social distancing has been my go-to defense all along. Just don't like being close to folks I don't know well.


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gothamdawg
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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they only show a minimal reduction of transmission from 2-9%,


I've seen a few different figures on surgical/cloth masks. But never as low as this.


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GumboPot
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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Wonder if any of our other experts on here had any input on the ELECTROSTATIC effect.


Of course this is plausible. The mask will have some positive effect depending on type and how it is worn. But it's not 100% like a level A HAZMAT suit with a self contained breathing apparatus.

There are other entryways to your mucous membranes other than your mouth and nose that the masks do not protect you from. Like your eyes.

IMO the virus is predominantly transmitted by touching. People touch their face 1000s of times a day. The virus is picked up my their hands and transmitted to the mouth, nose and eyes by touching. Can it transmit by air? Absolutely. It's just my opinion that viruses are transmitted by touching more than by air.


CamdenTiger
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
LINK . Just a good reminder of eye transmission. I wear a pap’er in the Covid unit, but glasses over contacts and avoidance of eye rubbing are all good practices


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ChineseBandit58
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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If your concern is self-protection, get an n95.

...... and congrats on your clean bill of health!


Thanks - this guy saved my life ---- literally.

I have a couple of n95 that I wear if I am going to be in a crowed space.

Any thoughts on a chemo actually destroying your immune relative to long term?? <- that is the one that really worried me. (but that is specific to my unique situation.)
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notsince98
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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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He made two points that I have not heard discussed before:
- about the aerosol effect - he said that it is not the size of the virus, (admitted it was smaller than mesh) - he said that it was the electrostatic effect - that the virus was attracted to the mesh and adhered to it.


Who is charging up their mask with static electricity for that to even happen?

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- the second point was peculiar to my situation - that one of the chemos - (retuxinab to be specific) -that I had been on in my earlier treatment effectively destroyed my immune system relative to the COVID risk - and implored me to not take any chances.


The mask is a petri dish that grows harmful bacteria in excess. If you are immunocompromised, how does keeping harmful bacteria near your mouth, nose and eyes protect you?

if you were using high quality disposable masks and throwing them away every time you left a room, they "might" help but that isn't realistic.


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