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re: ? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:48 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:48 am to ChineseBandit58
Show us the peer reviewed paper stating any respiratory virus has and electrostatic attraction to a mask of any kind. And if so, why does the water pass right through, it has a dipole
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:49 am to BobABooey
quote:put down the Newsweek retard
QAnon conspiracy theories
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:51 am to Mizooag94
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And if so, why does the water pass right through, it has a dipole
Water stick until there is too much and the surface tension is broken.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:51 am to GumboPot
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opinion that viruses are transmitted by touching more than by air.
thanx
This was the medical consensus early on - right ?
then I thought they said touch was insignificant. - or did they>?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:53 am to ChineseBandit58
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opinion that viruses are transmitted by touching more than by air.
thanx
This was the medical consensus early on - right ?
then I thought they said touch was insignificant. - or did they>?
No actually its an airborne virus (think about how smoke travels), so more likely to get through the air via breathing and eyes.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:01 am to ChineseBandit58
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This was the medical consensus early on - right ?
It's why we are told to wash our hands all the time.
I mean the concept is simple. Some infected person picks their nose, rubs their eyes, picks food from their teeth, etc. then opens the door with the same hand 30 seconds later. You come behind them and touch the same door knob and pick up the virus on your hands. You step outside and your eyes are irritated by the sudden change in light and you rub them. All of sudden you've inoculated yourself with the virus.
There are hundreds if not thousands of touching scenarios a day that play out like this for everyone in a social setting.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:03 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:He's worried about your lymphocytic (immune) response. Very legit concern there CB. Eventually that should correct for you, at least some. But "eventually" doesn't help you with this pandemic.
Any thoughts on a chemo actually destroying your immune relative to long term??
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:05 am to gothamdawg
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Interesting that you trust him for a condition that threatens your life, but not regarding masking or Covid. If I had your condition, I would listen to his advice.
Appreciate your input - Ii understand your sentiment - that is what I would tell anyone else, myself.
I do plan on following his advice - but I do make my own decisions based on risk assessments of my choosing.
Now - IF there were some magical 'electrostatic' effect that I had not considered before, I'd surely change my risk assessments based on that.
My sole mission here is to gather opinions from people who I have come to know over the past dozen or so years. Some really smart people here - some idiots too. I am usually pretty good at sorting them out.
My plan right now is to make more use of the n95. and perhaps cycle them out often.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:07 am to gothamdawg
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No actually its an airborne virus (think about how smoke travels)
Smoke travels because of the temperature difference and subsequent convection currents from the heat below. As the smoke particles cool and reach ambient temperature they settle to the ground. The molecular weight of the virus is a lot higher than ambient air molecules and they too will eventually fall to surfaces. In cool environments it will take longer for the virus to fall from the air. In hot environments where the ambient temperature is close to body temperature the viruses will fall quickly to the floor.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:09 am to NC_Tigah
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Eventually that should correct for you, at least some. But "eventually" doesn't help you with this pandemic.
pretty much in synch with what he said - just said that didn't have data on how long that recovery would be - if ever.
anyway - that was two things I had not considered before - and my have been a little too cavalier about my own risks.
Thanks to all for their inputs.
Will monitor for anyone who has analysis to offer on electrostatic points.
I do appreciate all the responses =
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:13 am to GumboPot
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No actually its an airborne virus (think about how smoke travels)
Smoke travels because of the temperature difference and subsequent convection currents from the heat below. As the smoke particles cool and reach ambient temperature they settle to the ground. The molecular weight of the virus is a lot higher than ambient air molecules and they too will eventually fall to surfaces. In cool environments it will take longer for the virus to fall from the air. In hot environments where the ambient temperature is close to body temperature the viruses will fall quickly to the floor.
Thanks for the clarification.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:14 am to ChineseBandit58
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I asked if it should be an n95 - he said that was no improvement - was hard over on the electrostatic effect.
There probably is an electrostatic effect in other masks, but it is really one of the major reasons N95 protect the wearer. And also why you can't just wash them and immediately reuse them.
Here is a video that explains it
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:14 am to ChineseBandit58
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BUT he warned me sternly about wearing a mask!
Did he warn you not to wear it or was he trying to scare you into wearing one?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:15 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Not really.
then I thought they said touch was insignificant. - or did they>?
Think in terms of someone in your family with a bad cold. They sneeze or cough. You breath in the aerosol. You just caught the cold.
But also, they wipe/scratch their nose, get some snot on their hand, pick up a glass, which you then handle. You rub your eyes, nose or mouth. You just caught the cold.
It's more or less the same with CV19.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:16 am to ChineseBandit58
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? for PoliBoard DOCTORs = re: masks
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Interesting that you trust him for a condition that threatens your life, but not regarding masking or Covid. If I had your condition, I would listen to his advice.
Appreciate your input - Ii understand your sentiment - that is what I would tell anyone else, myself.
I do plan on following his advice - but I do make my own decisions based on risk assessments of my choosing.
Now - IF there were some magical 'electrostatic' effect that I had not considered before, I'd surely change my risk assessments based on that.
My sole mission here is to gather opinions from people who I have come to know over the past dozen or so years. Some really smart people here - some idiots too. I am usually pretty good at sorting them out.
My plan right now is to make more use of the n95. and perhaps cycle them out often.
That's a smart approach.
My wife works in a hospital. Only believes in using N95s when she feels protection is really necessary.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:20 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Oh, wait CB. The electrostatic thesis is correct as a component of mask function. The point I was making is (regardless of that) surgical masks are not reliably self protective.
Will monitor for anyone who has analysis to offer on electrostatic points.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:22 am to BigJim
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Here is a video that explains it
Good video.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:27 am to CamdenTiger
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Masks don’t work,
Not completely true. There is some efficacy but it's largely marginal, especially when moving around in/through crowds. The biggest issue is the messaging which implies masks are every bit as efficacious as the first couple of months after getting the injections (much less as what CDC Director Redfield said to Congress last year, that they were every bit as effective if not more than any potential vaccine).
For masks below properly-fitting N95 people would need to be fairly stationary and still need to maintain social distancing (which is not what the rhetoric volume nor pressure implies).
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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Think in terms of someone in your family with a bad cold.
Yes - that is different that what I had in mind. I was picturing pulling up to a gas pump and worrying about putting on gloves before using the pump. When I go to a grocery store I always wipe down the cart.
Bur with a sick person in the home - or even when others are exposed to a lot of people, especially strangers, then you have to be more careful.
My wife and I sit here mostly all alone, occasional visits from our children, and a few outings with a few friends. I'm not overly concerned with intimate cross contamination. My son in law has been exposed twice - they all stay away for the duration of a quarantine.
If not for my age, condition, and immune situation I would be a lot less careful than I am.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:46 pm to BobABooey
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Did you point out to this idiotic doctor that we wear masks to protect others, including our most vulnerable loved ones? Find a new doctor who doesn’t buy into QAnon conspiracy theories.
Downvotes = 37
I thought the sarcasm was obvious but it looks like I screwed it up.
Apologies to OP if he took offense; best of luck with your recovery.
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