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re: Would you be for more stringent gun license requirements
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:55 am to AUCE05
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:55 am to AUCE05
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We all will keep our rights. It is our kids that won't have the same rights, and we will play a part in that because we refuse to bend.
False. I'm teaching my girls not to be helpless little shits that also understand some things are worth fighting for. I also like to throw in the occasional lesson on handling emotional responses when bad things happen around them. In general it's part of this greater ideology I'm creating, called...wait for it...."parenting". It's the process by which I'm attempting to create a productive member of society that understands killing humans is wrong regardless of the tool used to do so.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:58 am to KG6
Voting is a right protected by the constitution. Gun ownership is a right protected by the constitution. Driving is a privilege not protected by the constitution.
People hate literacy test to exercise the right to vote but it's ok for gun ownership?
You want to amend the constitution then go for it but please stop with all the BS regulation and licenses.
People hate literacy test to exercise the right to vote but it's ok for gun ownership?
You want to amend the constitution then go for it but please stop with all the BS regulation and licenses.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:06 am to hob
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You want to amend the constitution then go for it but please stop with all the BS regulation and licenses.
i think i agree with you
draft a new amendment and put it to a vote
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:07 am to redneck
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I think it would be a few general questions to make sure you are level headed. I think the majority of people, like you and I, would have no problem whatsoever passing. Hell for most of the school shooters you can tell just based off photos that they aren't right in the head.
These shooters aren't necessarily crazy Schizophrenic people talking to themselves. That's the extremely difficult part of the mental illness and gun control issue. A "simple interview" will do next to nothing but make you feel better.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:08 am to AUCE05
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Public opinions are shifting away from gun culture. Eventually, your gun rights will be limited if we as gun owners don't weed the crazies out. We need to get a head of this and have our say on how things play out.
What if legislation was introduced concerning abortion? I use abortion because people are as die hard about abortion as they are about guns. What if it included some of the same things applied to guns? Say a young lady gets pregnant and she heads to the clinic. She fills out the forms and she is told there are a few things she needs to do before having the procedure. She needs to wait 10 days to "cool off." She may be mad or in a distraught state with the fact that she is pregnant. Then she needs to pass a mental screening before she can have the procedure. A Dr. will decide if she is mentally stable and capable to make the decision. They review her prescription history. She took Paxal for a while. This triggers another perimeter of the screening. They will need to interview the biological father and family and friends to have input on her mental stability.
Do you think that the free choice people would find these stipulations acceptable? Do you think they would say, "oh well, as long as it's legal, I am ok with it"?
What if I pass your proposed plan and go buy a gun? A couple of months roll by and my wife decides to leave me. She tells me about all her boyfriends she has had over the years. She is taking the kids and the house, all my money and everything I own. I go to work and start f'ing up because I am dealing with this shite and lose my job. I snap... How does your proposed plan fix that?
Sure AUCE05 is fine today, but how does your plan fix it when you snap?
I don't have the answer, but I think giving up any rights sets a bad precedent and will only lead to further loss of rights.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:08 am to BPTiger
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Why do people need these fully automatic military assault rifles anyway. Revolvers, bolt action rifles and shotguns should be legal only after registering.
Not sure if trolling for humor here or not. You do realize that you HAVE to have a license for a FULLY Automatic weapon right? It's called a Class 3, I believe...issued by the ATF. Fully automatics are banned by the NFA...you can't get them without a ATF stamp.
My argument to "licensing" is simple: How do you make sure the person is still sane after they get the license?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:37 am to AUCE05
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Would you be for more stringent gun license requirements
Sure cause that works so well with drivers licenses and what not...
Seriously, I am of the opinion that you start with much stricter driver licensing/enforcement...
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:51 am to AUCE05
GFY
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:07 am to MSWebfoot
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MSWebfoot
Completely agree.
So if guns are registered and said gun is still used to murder someone, what difference did the gun being registered make? It’s still a murder and it wasn’t prevented.
I hope to God the best of my generation (and gen Z behind me) is the most vocal in empowering the individual rather than curtailing rights to feel better. Then again, my generation is obsessed with feelings so I have my fingers crossed.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:07 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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It's called a Class 3, I believe
There is no "license" for machine guns. You get a tax stamp for those which can be purchased by individuals, same as a silencer. Agencies have their NFA stuff on Form 5s and they are tax free. Dealers are allowed to sell/have NFA items if they pay the annual SOT, which is a tax much like the stamp you purchase when you get a silencer. The two most common types of SOT are 02 and 03, the type of FFL you have determines which type of SOT you get. Type 03 is for you typical gunshop that has a FFL to resell firearms. It allows them to acquire machine guns to show/sell to agencies/departments at the request of the agency/department and approval of the ATF. The Type 02 SOT is for manufacturers and it allows them to do everything an 03 SOT can plus gives them the ability to make machine guns. I believe the "Class 3" thing started from the 03 SOT type since it is what most local shops have that sell NFA stuff and customers developing lore from misinformation talking to guys at the gun counter.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:07 am to hob
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You want to amend the constitution then go for it but please stop with all the BS regulation and licenses.
here's a proposal that address exactly that.
agree or disagree on the specifics, but at least an acknowledgement that infringing on 2A rights is unconstitutional, and as with everything else in the constitution, amendable in only one way
LINK
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:09 am to Propagandalf
And everything Prop just said is crazy expensive. After buying a gun shop and getting an FFL you basically agree to have your anus probed at any time.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:11 am to Propagandalf
Thanks Prop. I had the terminology wrong. Appreciate the clarification. I've never delved into the Class 3 world...all I know is what I've been told.
However my point is: it's not easy to own a FULLY automatic weapon as the guy I was replying to stated. There are other hoops/hurdles that one has to go through.
However my point is: it's not easy to own a FULLY automatic weapon as the guy I was replying to stated. There are other hoops/hurdles that one has to go through.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:14 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Yeah it's not easy. I just posted that for clarification for those interested in how it works.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:47 am to bapple
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So if guns are registered and said gun is still used to murder someone, what difference did the gun being registered make?
This. Gun registration has no use unless you want to confiscate all the guns. The database will not prevent any act by someone from happening or help you solve a case better than the current system. If somone murders someone and doesn't leave the gun behind the database doesn't help you solve the crime. So maybe you ask a bystander what kind of gun it was so you can round up everyone who owns that model. You think Joe Blow off the street had the foresight and gun knowledge during the shooting to properly identify that it was a Glock 17 Gen 3 RTF with fish gill, not the straight slide serrations, and not a Smith and Wesson M&P 9 Pro Series edition? frick no. If a crime is committed and the gun is recovered then you can trace it using the current system. But here's the kicker, 230,000+ guns were reported stolen in 2016, do you think the crimminals would re-register them before commiting any crimes? And again, the left wants you to think this registration will prevent these mass shootings. Name a mass shooter that isn't dead or aprehended. So whats the purpose of registration?
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interviews
Who is going to conduct these interviews? Is there an army of people looking to make 30K a year doing interviews who are so morally sound and possess the ability to see into the soul of a person a decipher their every intent? Or are you just going to have Jesus fricking Christ come down and get him to tell you which people his daddy made good and which ones he made bad? What about due process before stripping someone's rights? Are we going to alter not only the 2nd but also the 5th amendment? I mean while we are in there with the white-out why not change some others? What kind of precedent does that set?
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:53 am to redneck
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I'd have no problem requiring a permit/license. They already do a background check anyways, a quick one time interview would prove that I am not insane and don't have any plans to commit a mass shooting.
The people that are hard against guns and hard for guns are going to frick this up for everyone because no one will compromise.
Bill Burr said it best on his podcast the other day
"The people on the hard left think guns are alive running around killing people on their own. People on the hard right wanna buy a fricking bazooka to defend their home. There's no way to compromise with either side and it's going to frick over the normal people"
ETA - I'll preface my
by saying that i dont think anything that is being discussed in this thread will make much difference and solve the so called 'problem', if you want to call it that. As stated before in this thread, the Dems will win the WH/Congress in the future, and it will have nothing to do with the 2A. Those Dems will be anti-gun. They very well could start turning SCOTUS the other direction, which is the most important piece of the puzzle. Then what?
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:22 pm to hob
I'm not asking for licensing or anything. Just saying I can see where it wouldn't infringe on our rights if it was done without ill intent. But I know it will lead to something bad, so I'm not for it.
You can't use this as an argument since you have to register to vote. Are you for gun registration now?
Again, not arguing that gun control measures will not be flawed or that we should enact them now. Pointing out that just because you have the right (which I agree with), it doesn't mean it isn't constitutional to have a bunch of bureaucratic BS surrounding that right.
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Voting is a right protected by the constitution
You can't use this as an argument since you have to register to vote. Are you for gun registration now?
Again, not arguing that gun control measures will not be flawed or that we should enact them now. Pointing out that just because you have the right (which I agree with), it doesn't mean it isn't constitutional to have a bunch of bureaucratic BS surrounding that right.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:39 pm to KG6
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You can't use this as an argument since you have to register to vote. Are you for gun registration now?
Voter registration is not to allow you the right to vote, it's to make sure you aren't voting more than once and in the proper district. It's a different basis of reasoning. You are registering to show that you meet the requirements to vote at that polling place. The current ID and background check to purchase a firearm provides the same function. So the argument holds
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:30 pm to Propagandalf
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If someone murders someone and doesn't leave the gun behind the database doesn't help you solve the crime.
AKA, registration would simply be a feel-good measure without making any discernible difference. Amen to that.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:44 pm to KG6
I'm not for gun registration. In fact, to be fair I'd be against voter registration if you had to show up at the poll, complete a background check and pay the $10 fee each time you vote. Oh yeah, and hope the check comes back before the polls close.
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