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re: Would you be for more stringent gun license requirements

Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:17 pm to
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12358 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:17 pm to
yes I do think they should be more stringent than they are now. Any shmo can walk off the street and buy one if they want to. It should at least be like Hunters Education in that you have to take a class to qualify to purchase.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45362 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:24 pm to
Federal law trumps state law. Hence the Civil War.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:28 pm to
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Federal law trumps state law. Hence the Civil War.


You might want to doublecheck that.

Federal law supersedes state law, if the state law is less stringent than federal law. If the state law is more stringent, it prevails federal law in that particular state. (Except marijuana laws apparently ...)
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45362 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:37 pm to
No, I agree. Stats can add to federal law. But fed is a min.
Posted by ElJefe686
Houston
Member since Nov 2012
887 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:42 pm to
In favor.
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:46 pm to
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yes I do think they should be more stringent than they are now. Any shmo can walk off the street and buy one if they want to. It should at least be like Hunters Education in that you have to take a class to qualify to purchase.


This is the biggest media fallacy. anyone who walks in a gun store an immediately out with a gun has zero reason to be prohibited. The media never reports on the felon who tries to buy a gun and is denied. None of your other rights require you to take a course to qualify. Hunting is a privilege, driving is a privilege, your ability to defend yourself with a firearm is a given right by the bill of rights. Not something assumed. Something so important that they listed it specifically in the bill of rights AS NUMBER frickING 2 to all that rights that were guaranteed. FACT..you can't uninvent the gun. I can go to Lowe's and. Build a crude firearm with black pipe. Crimminals will always be able to get them, manufacture them, or will choose other means. My right to defend myself should not be compromised. Tell me how many people who have died if good people would have had guns at the school in Parkland?
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:49 pm to
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No, I agree. Stats can add to federal law. But fed is a min.


Okay, but your "Federal law trumps state law" comment and your example of passing prospective gun licensing requirements in LA and thinking you'd be able to observe those same requirements in CA without CA having any say in the matter make it seem like you didn't understand that states can pass stricter laws than federal laws.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5905 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:54 pm to
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Propagandalf

Slightly off topic, have you ever had people get denied at your store?
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:56 pm to
Very few in store, but God damn the kenner Gun show holds the majority of my denials....you know...the loop hole place.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:08 pm to
Very simple question, and I'm honestly curious about your answer considering your profession and what you see day to day.

Should a very obviously mentally unstable downs patient(just using DS as example), but non felon be able to purchase a fun for self defense?
I know the seller can refuse, but should the law allow it?
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 11:09 pm
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5905 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:09 pm to
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Very few in store, but God damn the kenner Gun show holds the majority of my denials....you know...the loop hole place.


I'm baffled by the gunshow loophole shite. If I do private sales in Walmart's parking lot is that the walmart parking lot loophole?

Also, how do people generally react when they get denied?
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:20 pm to
Right and wrong, as far as the world we live in is ultimately subjective. But that's a whole other topic of conversation. In America we receive our rights at 18, that is considered when we are adults. That is the age in which you have enough previous knowledge to make rational decisions. Asking me if a person with downs should be able to own a gun is like asking me if a person convicted of child molestation should be allowed to run your sons cub scout den. Clearly neither are able to make conscience decisions between right or wrong. The law already prevents such individuals from pursuing those obligations.

EtA: I don't think outliers should establish a rule.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 11:26 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19524 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:36 pm to
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Some points to consider for all of you hardline gun people who refuse any suggestions. The second amendment doesn't grant you unlimited gun freedoms. Public opinions are shifting away from gun culture. Eventually, your gun rights will be limited if we as gun owners don't weed the crazies out. We need to get a head of this and have our say on how things play out.



Let me point some things out to you, Fudd, since you obviously have minimal education about this topic yet think you can lecture anyone on the current political/social/legal landscape of this suject.

First off, public opinions are fickle things and you'd know this if you had ever glanced at some of the better, long established polls on this topic. You notice things like self-reported firearms ownership tends to dip when gun-control is topic de jour and support for gun-control measures go up. Then after a few months the trends reverse and, given long enough, gun-control becomes largely unpopular again as other things, like the economy, become more of a concern.

Second, just because some infringements on the 2nd Amendment have been left by the courts doesn't mean any infringement that pops into that rather cramped skull of yours is also on the table. Stringent license requirments, like those attempted by Chicago and D.C. post-McDonald and Heller cases were struck down. Apparently, and this should be obvious to anyone of any discernable intellect and honesty, the 2nd Amendment is not a second-class civil right according to SCOTUS and several Federal Circuit courts. As such, your idea has already been preempted, us "hardline" gun people got ahead of the Fudds and gun-control advocates a long time ago and how it has played out is a massive backslide against gun-control laws across the nation. Our gun rights are not going to be limited, especially from those like you who lack any in-depth understanding of this issue.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:50 pm to
So constitutionally, there is no reason for felons and those underage to be restricted either.

I'm not arguing its right or wrong. just saying, the public(through voting for politicians) already support some very detailed restrictions on the 2A, that is obviously not addressed in the constitution.

They will eventually support more...based on the direction of society. Hell, maybe gen Z will be more pro 2A than the boomers that are dying off. Then this is a moot point.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19524 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:57 pm to
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So constitutionally, there is no reason for felons and those underage to be restricted either.



That's not so much a constitutional issue, but those who have done their time and paid their debt to society should have full use of ALL individual civil rights. Those who haven't reached the age of majority have always been subject to different treatment under the law.

Support for gun-control is not what you think it is. This isn't the 1990's.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:26 am to
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This isn't the 1990's.

Understand that completely. Ain't it won't be the same 20 years from now either.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19524 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:46 am to
At the current rate we'll see parts of the NFA and FOPA repealed along with seeing the demise of May Issue CCP's in the few states that have it.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39180 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:06 am to
You spineless willing fricking idiot.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4559 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 5:15 am to
Illegal and made up
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 6:19 am to
NO!!
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