re: What are the pros and cons of 6.5 creedmore

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If you were trying to go take out a telephone pole, would you rather hit it at 150mph with a crotch rocket or 55mph with an 18 wheeler?

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You seem to be under the impression there there is an orders of magnitude difference between these bullet diameters/weights that simply doesn't exist.

a better comparison would be a 150mph crotch rocket or a 100 mph Harley

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question the recovery/exit aspect

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I did more deer tracking than deer hunting for a few years. It's definitely a problem.

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the vast majority of non-recovered deer that get blamed on lack of blood trail/pass through are poorly placed shots into guts/backstraps/briskets/etc. that another .5mm of diameter wouldn't have done anything for.

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A dog changes this a bit. You actually do recover a lot of deer that otherwise would have been lost, and pulling from memory id say it was about evenly split bad shots vs no exits vs hunter error where we had to get the dog involved. I think that 100% of the ones we didn't recover were terrible shots and i think they were largely leg hits or flesh wounds. Unfortunately I can't prove that, but you can't make a good shot with a rifle and the deer not die, and if it's dead the dog will find it. I did get to see some of them that we jumped a few times and chased across the parish and those were mostly single leg hits or gut shots. We often got the gut shot ones eventually but rarely the 3 legged ones.

We found A LOT of deer within 100 yards of where they were shot. A whole whole lot of them, and those were often deer in very thick terrain with no exit hole, or just generally very bad blood trails, or the shooter having no idea where the deer was when shot.

It's all mental masturbation, but it is a thing that happens. Its more dependent on bullet choice and shot placement than the headstamp.

150gr core locts from .30-06 was one of the big offenders. I think its too fast for the bullet construction, and its so prolific that there's lots of opportunity out there for it to show up. Killed the deers very very dead but would often not exit.

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You seem to be under the impression there there is an orders of magnitude difference between these bullet diameters/weights that simply doesn't exist.

a better comparison would be a 150mph crotch rocket or a 100 mph Harley

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It was definitely exaggerated for effect. In reality, probably could have been a civic doing 70mph and pickup doing 65mph, but that's not as fun.

Somebody needs to post some energy charts of these calibers:

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30-30, 350 legend, and 360 buckhammer

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6.5 creedmore

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[quote]bet good money that an 80gr Barnes TTSX in 243,will exit through both shoulders out to 200yds no problem. Possibly even 300yds.
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It gets better at long range (up to a point of course) because the bullet will open less than at close range. Its probably got a better chance of exiting at 300 yards than 30 yards.

Thanks.

I think some people here need to invest in a 444 Marlin.

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We got a full pass through on the 243 last year, heart shot through both shoulders, at 75 yards but no blood. Deer was piled up 100-120 yards away, zig zagged through the woods and came up on the deer before we found any blood.

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I've never had a deer run when shot through both shoulders. They instantly DRT. Behind the shoulders they usually run.

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We are talking about fractions of an inch, but with my experience, and I'll die on this hill that a 243 doesn't open up a big enough hole for reliable tracking, especially in the hands of a kid.



Energy for the 30cal guns

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That energy sucks for 30cal bullets.

Velocity makes energy. The 243 will have 400lb to 500lb more energy at 200yds than any of those calibers in your chart.

You do realize there is only one .30 cal bullet in this comparison, right?

.30cal or bigger, apologies

The 6.5 CM has more power to it than the 6.5 Grendel, and I wreck deer with my 6.5 Grendel.