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re: the unofficial obama speech... thread
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:16 pm to mommas boy
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:16 pm to mommas boy
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He's passing the buck to ole joe. Dont see anything happening in the near future.
I think Ole Joe was one of the authors of the Clinton gun ban
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Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:17 pm to tigerfoot
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and said nothing was wrong with getting those automatic weapons out of everyones hands
What automatic weapons are you referring to?
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:18 pm to tigerfoot
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I have had this conversation with three people that I never thought would side with more gun control as a solution. My wife and two hunters
Thats what I have been hearing/seeing. Im shocked at the people that are buying into the MSM BS.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:18 pm to wickowick
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What automatic weapons are you referring to?
I believe he was saying she thought they were automatic so he educated her on the matter.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:19 pm to tigerfoot
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This tragedy has really hit home and folks are just emotionally searching for some action that may help.
I dont see how any legislation of any kind would help in this situation. It all comes back to personal responsibility. Guns are tools just like hammer and a screwdriver. Intentention and use is dependent on the individual holding it. Remember a few years ago when those NY teens killed that homeless guy with a hammer? Where's the anti-hammer legislation?
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:19 pm to wickowick
the POTUS would be far better served going after...
drunk driving, poor eating habits, smoking, couch potatoism,the idiocy potrayed on tv..... those affect far more children than do "high powered military style weapons"
drunk driving, poor eating habits, smoking, couch potatoism,the idiocy potrayed on tv..... those affect far more children than do "high powered military style weapons"
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:22 pm to wickowick
I still think F&F was designed to set-up gun control in the US but it backfired when the border agent was killed.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:23 pm to wickowick
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automatic weapons are you referring
The mean scary semi auto ones that everyone is referring to as autos. Then connecting the semi autos to hunting and recreational uses they are familiar with.
I was correcting her, a conservative duck hunter raised by a hunting Vietnam vet, who still let's the media fear influence her thinking.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:24 pm to dante
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I still think F&F was designed to set-up gun control in the US but it backfired when the border agent was killed.
I completely agree 100%
OTOH, the congress did pass that all important tv commericial volume legislation we were all concerned about.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:24 pm to tigerfoot
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This tragedy has really hit home and folks are just emotionally searching for some action that may help. Even really good folks that hunt and fish.
A lot of hunters just have shotguns or bolt action rifles. I can (and do) see them saying "well, its not my hunting guns so why not". Eventually it will be their guns too if that is the stand they take.
This post was edited on 12/19/12 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:24 pm to dante
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I still think F&F was designed to set-up gun control in the US but it backfired when the border agent was killed.
Without a doubt
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:27 pm to 4X4DEMON
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see how any legislation of any kind would help in this situation. It all comes back to personal responsibility.
I don't either.
Just explaining that you have to talk to these folks like a scared kid, you have to back it up to define the problem, then make sure they understand the language and the meaning. Look not everyone will think my way, but we need to make sure we explain our position in a logical functional way.
That is the grassroots movement that must occur. Folks that are emotional will demonize and tune out the NRA, but they may listen to their family, friends and co workers.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:30 pm to tigerfoot
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I think educating as many folks as you can on a new way to think about weapons they may or may not enjoy themselves is the best way.
This is definitely not a bad idea, and I'm not telling anyone to be quiet about the issue by any means. The problem is the nature of politics today, it really doesn't matter how you, me, or Joe feels about the issue. All that matters is having a lobby in Washington, and a way for those in congress to recognize that those in their area support that lobby.
I guarantee that more than one political aide will walk into his boss's office this spring and say "the numbers came back and 65% of our district is NRA, 20% of that enrolled within the last 3 months. We should probably not support the restrictions."
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:33 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Maybe so
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:34 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Im waiting to see how this is handled because theyve done nothing so far. If its handle half way right I will be a member that day.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:37 pm to Langston
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Im waiting to see how this is handled because theyve done nothing so far. If its handle half way right I will be a member that day.
This. I have my checkbook ready but I fear I'll be disappointed like I am with the Rep. party.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:47 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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the numbers came back and 65% of our district is NRA, 20% of that enrolled within the last 3 months.
That is correct. But you have to remember that any congressman who's district had a 45% NRA membership rate hasn't given one second of thought to new gun control legislation. But those districts are few and far between. Those types of districts are in very rural areas and cover vast spans of land. If I had to venture to guess those types of districts represent less than 10% of congress.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:56 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
I was exaggerating to illustrate the point, but what you're saying just further points out the need for he NRA. We all know LA congress members will vote for firearm rights, it's the north east and west states that will be pushing the most. We can't control what people in other states will do or say, but the NRA is national. My hope is that districts with very low membership will see spikes in the next few months, and that will keep legislators from jumping on board.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:03 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I wonder where sales are now...
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:20 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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TheDrunkenTigah
You make a good point. And a serious question though. Lets use your analogy. 65% of a district has NRA membership. They are going to vote against anything to do with gun control. They are representing their districts - No?
Districts like you said, in the North East and left coast might have 65% of people who wanna do away with guns. They vote for total elimination of all legal weapons. They are representing their districts - No?
Or should one or the other stand up for what is right and take a principled stand?
Of course I say the later. But that isn't going to happen either because of the way the political system is set up today. It has to be all or nothing. There is no room for compromise.
People forget the greatest document ever written was a built only on the ability of the authors to compromise.
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