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re: the unofficial obama speech... thread
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:27 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:27 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
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It has to be all or nothing. There is no room for compromise.
I disagree, I don't think a massive gun ban is a serious threat. Sure legislators will have no middle ground in how they answer the yes or no question of voting for a bill, but the bill itself will just be full of ambiguous language with little battles fought in every paragraph. I'm much more concerned about ammo restrictions and the term "assault weapon" becoming a formal label that the ATF can slap on anything that looks scary and tax the hell out of or ban. The NRA will be the one picking through the language of the proposals, making sure nothing slips through the cracks.
eta: In short, anything done will be a collection of compromises, but the NRA has the power and resources to protect our rights as it's being hashed out.
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Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:32 pm to dante
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I still think F&F was designed to set-up gun control in the US but it backfired when the border agent was killed
I dont doubt it for one second. I dont put anything past politicians who want to get their way.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:42 pm to SportTiger1
This line right here scares me more than congressional gun control
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Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday that the administration will craft proposals for Congress to consider over the next few weeks. He said a "strong" Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is also important. Read more: LINK
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:44 pm to choupiquesushi
When do we get to give a big frick YOU to all the third party cock suckers who helped re-elect frickING Obama?
Stupid fricking Blue Velvet swearing and declaring Obama wasn't anti-gun.
Stupid fricking Blue Velvet swearing and declaring Obama wasn't anti-gun.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:57 pm to USMCTiger03
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Stupid fricking Blue Velvet swearing and declaring Obama wasn't anti-gun.
That's the thing. at least 75% of Obama voters have no idea what he really stands for. that part pisses me off more than the other 25% who actually believe the same way he does.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:05 pm to SportTiger1
Everyone knew Obama was going after the guns this term. If they say differently they are in denial. This recent tragedy has sped up the process, but it was coming regardless.
And who said the NRA a has done nothing?!? Some of you boys may be too young to remember the proposed ban on 50 cals, but the NRA was instrumental in squashing that shite. And for the record, it would have included your shotguns and 50cal muzzle loaders as well. The fights comin and the only group in this country that's willing and able to fight it is the NRA.
And who said the NRA a has done nothing?!? Some of you boys may be too young to remember the proposed ban on 50 cals, but the NRA was instrumental in squashing that shite. And for the record, it would have included your shotguns and 50cal muzzle loaders as well. The fights comin and the only group in this country that's willing and able to fight it is the NRA.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:07 pm to INFIDEL
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The fights comin and the only group in this country that's willing and able to fight it is the NRA.
I don't remember because I was a soph in high school but what did they do in '94?
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:10 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I disagree,
Maybe not what happens on the gun debate. I like your optimism. I am interested to see what the NRA says Friday. They are in a very tough position nationally. Yes they have a very strong base that will raise close to $400 million for them, but the have a tough message right now. They are going to have a press conference that is going to be be air nationally that everyone is going to hear about.
They have been smart to be silent so far. Smart, but they also might have let the message get away from them. My guess is they are still trying to develop what they say and how they say it. Look, its going to be tough. If they screw up they have the chance to be ostracized.
Here is what I think happens. The Senate comes up with something and it passes that chamber. The Senate legislation is pigeon holed in the house. A majority of the republican conference is against any sort of new gun legislation. A minority wanna do something. A vast majority of the house dem caucus want overreaching legislation that has no chance to pass the senate. There is some lip service done for a compromise, but nothing happens on guns. There is probably money spent on mental health measures. If there is anything that happens on the gun or ammo front, my guess is it will be limiting the number of rounds in a clip.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:12 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
Completely agree and hope youre right.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:13 pm to OldSouth
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I don't remember because I was a soph in high school but what did they do in '94?
They fought tooth and nail against the legislation. They spent millions lobbying and on political/issue campaigns. Frankly, they are the ones that got the sunset provision inserted. They are also the ones that got a lot of the loop holes inserted.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:13 pm to choupiquesushi
As mentioned in a previous post. Renew your NRA membership, join the NRA, and get involved. We cannot give any ground on this issue. It will be like the metaphor of the camel getting his nose under the tent. Give into a ban on "assault weapons" and sooner or later they will try to take all of our weapons. Remember that there are more red states than blue states and these legislators know that if they vote in favor of stricter gun laws they run the risk of losing their seats.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:18 pm to OldSouth
They were credited with defeating the speaker of the house as well as another congressman who had been a long term supporter of the NRA. Apparently he voted for a law that included some weapons bans.
Look, they come across as hardcore nut jobs, but so are the libs. Backing a sane gun lobby would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Look, they come across as hardcore nut jobs, but so are the libs. Backing a sane gun lobby would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:28 pm to INFIDEL
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They were credited with defeating the speaker of the house as well as another congressman who had been a long term supporter of the NRA.
They can take some credit for it. It riled up the Nethercut's base, but for a lot of swing voters it was his stance/lawsuit against term limits. My point is that a lot of things contributed to Foley's loose.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:35 pm to INFIDEL
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Look, they come across as hardcore nut jobs, but so are the libs.
I don't think that at all. In fact, I'm only renewing my membership if they take a hard stance against ANOTHER FREAKING LAW that will do nothing to deter crimes comitted by people who DON'T GIVE A shite ABOUT LAWS.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:43 pm to INFIDEL
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Look, they come across as hardcore nut jobs, but so are the libs.
I don't think the public perception is that bad. The only people who think they're evil are hardcore libs or don't live anywhere around here, which are exactly those we need them to be fighting against.
There are some people where I'm from who think the NRA is only focused on target or self-defense firearms, and doesn't give hunters much representation. These are the people who need to be made aware that all responsible gun owners are in the same boat in this day and age.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 2:45 pm to MoreOrLes
quote:IIRC, he is taking a vacation to Hawaii for like a month. He does it every year
Watch when Congress goes home for xmas. Thats when the O will pull some BS with the guns by Executive Order
Posted on 12/19/12 at 3:01 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
The hunters that are saying they aren't being represented are clueless. The fact is that libs are using "assault weapons" as a door to our hunting rifles and shotguns.
Posted on 12/19/12 at 3:03 pm to INFIDEL
Next they'll want our pitchforks and torches, WHEN WILL IT END?!
Posted on 12/19/12 at 3:09 pm to Hammertime
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IIRC, he is taking a vacation to Hawaii for like a month. He does it every year
and you think he couldnt/wouldnt postpone that for like a day to sign some executive orders? doing it the day before he disappears to hawaii would make perfect sense..
Posted on 12/19/12 at 4:30 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I don't think the public perception is that bad.
You should see their polling. They have a fairly large size net positive number, but if you take a look inside you will see a lot of that is soft. If they come out unsympathetic or hardline, they could loose an enormous amount support.
To add on, if you look as to why they have such a wide fav/unfav number is because they haven't had to fight. Anytime there is a contested fight the favorable number drops like a rock because sides solidify.
Like I said earlier, they are in a very tricky spot message wise. They have to balance their rhetoric between their base and becoming a non player. BUT, they will. They have some very a ton of money and a lot smart people working on their message.
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