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AlxTgr
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
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Cull is the biggest BS term in deer hunting. As soon as I hear it I know that person has done very little to educate themselves about deer.

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baldona
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
These terminology problems all started from the Texas ranches on hunting shows. Sure when you have 1,000s of acres and millions of dollars to put into your herd you can cull deer, wait them out to see how they age, etc. But then Jim bob watches that Wednesday night and goes to Deer camp on the weekend and acts like that can be done on a 200 acre lease.

I will say though, and I laughed when I saw it, my father in law has a cull lineage on his new 200 acres. He has a 2.5 year old and a 1.5 year old buck that both have the same fork on the right side, while the other side is a normal 3 or 4 points. But that's extremely extremely rare, I wish I had a pic to post of the two deer.


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Cowboyfan89
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
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Piney woods surrounded by thousands of acres of agriculture is a totally different thing.


Yeah, because that's a common thing throughout Louisiana.


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re: “That deer was on the decline”
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Even sw la piney woods public land bucks can get pretty good with a little age.


Cowboyfan89
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
How big is that deer, body-wise? What's the difference between a 4.5 year old and a 6.5 year old, weight-wise?


arbe25
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
Maybe 160-170 live weight. I doubt there's much difference in weight between 4.5 and 6.5. Deer just don't get very big.


Ron Cheramie
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
Yeah pines grow on poor soil. Can't think of much agriculture around pineywoods



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Cowboyfan89
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
There's the point I'm making. I'm not going to argue against antler production. I know that's better in older deer But for the guys like me that aren't concerned with antlers, there's no difference in taking a 4.5 and a 6.5.

Hell, at 4.5, you are still talking about a deer at 90% of it's antler potential. And that's according to research. So maybe he's not on the decline, but he's not going to get much bigger either. If 130" is max, you are talking about a 117" deer at 4.5 based on those numbers.



arbe25
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
You won't get any argument from me. I'd shoot a 4.5 year old deer all day long. I shoot whatever i want and most of the time it is a direct correlation to how much deer meat i have in the freezer. I do try to do that with does though, fill up the freezer that is.


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Jack Daniel
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
That’s a totally different topic on if you prefer to kill mature deer or not. There are a lot of places that if you don’t shoot a deer until he is 5+ you will never kill one.

I’m just saying a deer living long enough to reach the antler decline stage in life is a lot more rare than some people think.

Countless of times I have talked with someone that killed a 6pt or 7pt with somewhat heavy horns and they say, “this deer was on the decline”.


cajunbuck
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
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Most hunting leases in fairly high pressured areas of Louisiana and Mississippi usually kill mostly 3-4 yr old


id be willing to bet more 2 year olds are getting mowed down than 3s and 4s. now then, the amt of 2yo that are called 3-4, well thats a different story.

i would agree and say the ole decline tail is wayyyyyyyyyyy over used. and as other mentioned the famous "cull buck"


AlxTgr
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Countless of times I have talked with someone that killed a 6pt or 7pt with somewhat heavy horns and they say, “this deer was on the decline”.
I have never encountered this.


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FelicianaTigerfan
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
Got full of myself years ago and made that comment about a mature buck I killed to my dad. He didn’t tear me down but I knew he didn’t buy my BS. Humbled me without embarrassing.

I can’t age deer on the hoof.

There are 3 different bucks I see in the woods.

“There’s a doe. Oh shite it has horns” That’s a young buck

“Oh there’s a deer! Damn it’s built like a buck” 2-3 ye old buck

“Damn that a big bodied deer! Bet it weighs 300” Mature 4+ yr old buck




That’s how I age deer



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AlxTgr
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Jack Daniel
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
That’s just damage while in velvet. Why is that cull?


baldona
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
I will say, we have a lot of low point bucks in the south especially close to the Gulf of Mexico. As in south Alabama had a lot more than north Alabama.

You don't see many 6 point 4 year old bucks in the Midwest, they are not abnormal in south Alabama and north Florida. The problem is you never know if that 6 point 2.5/ 3.5 will all of a sudden be a 10 point 4.5 year old. But it's funny to see the 6 point heavy horned 4 year olds with terrible genetics.


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AlxTgr
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
Not sure which one you're talking about but same answer for both: Neither had 8 points after their 2nd set of antlers. One was 5, and the other 6.


The Torch
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
I've got one in my area with his ribs, hip bones sticking out of his skin like an old horse.

Last time I saw him he was still in velvet, looks old or sick.

I need to take him out but don't want to stink my stand up


AlxTgr
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
The decline is real.


jgthunt
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re: “That deer was on the decline”
I killed a buck in Oklahoma last month. We aged him at 8.5
He was the worst smelling deer I have ever killed.
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If he was on a decline, I'd like to see his rack 2 years ago.


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