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re: “That deer was on the decline”
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:13 pm to SportTiger1
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:13 pm to SportTiger1
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So genetics have 0 to do with antler size?
I didn't say that. I said that saying I am denying science and gentics because it is a biological fact that you won't alter genetics through culling is where he lost me. Do genetics matter? Sure. But it is the least controllable (read that as uncontrollable), and least important in the food/age/genetics pyramid.
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:41 pm to Fratigerguy
One of the reasons I was told for smaller rack bucks as 1.5 year olds was they were late birth bucks, bucks that were conceived on the 2nd or 3rd rut and therefore born later in the year. After 2 years they are able to catch up, but the first 1.5 they aren't. That's why you shouldn't shoot any 'cull' 1.5 year olds.
Makes sense to me, but who knows?
Makes sense to me, but who knows?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:05 pm to Fratigerguy
quote:Sorry, but it's not a fact. Every death before the end of fertility affects genetics. That's a biological fact. Those who tell you otherwise are selling something.
said that saying I am denying science and gentics because it is a biological fact that you won't alter genetics through culling is where he lost me.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:07 pm to AlxTgr
Can we just agree that the majority of the state needs an antler restriction and reduction in tag numbers and call it a day?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:09 pm to SportTiger1
quote:
We would shoot quite a few janky looking 2 year 6-8 points that were 12in tall and 4 in wide with G3's pointing backwards and all kinds of weird stuff.
quote:
We still can’t seem to let bucks get to 3.5 years old
So pretty much y’all shoot everything?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:29 pm to GREENHEAD22
I sure can, but I don't really even like deer meat 
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:31 pm to AlxTgr
Bayou cocodrie biggest problem is too much mature timber. They need to do a whole lot of thinning. Mature hardwoods are great and are pretty but they only provide food so many months out the year. Open it up and put some sunlight on the ground and it would be a paradise
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:36 pm to AlxTgr
So you hunt for the sake of killing something? That's pretty shitty.
Also, everyone here is a deer expert
Also, everyone here is a deer expert
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:39 pm to LSUdude3756
What do they do with us hunters that are on the decline?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:44 pm to AlxTgr
Lol. Let me say it this way...in recorded history, there are zero (0, none) cases ever documented in a free ranging OR penned deer herd (not talking about 30 acres here) where culling through hunting has made any difference in improving genetic abnormalities, antler size, antler points, or the removal of those undesirable traits.
We are talking about altering a deer herd for genetic makeup through selective harvest. Not using literal terms in saying "Buck X won't breed anymore so his specific genome won't be passed on...AH HA!!! PROOF!! We altered genetics!!"
We are talking about altering a deer herd for genetic makeup through selective harvest. Not using literal terms in saying "Buck X won't breed anymore so his specific genome won't be passed on...AH HA!!! PROOF!! We altered genetics!!"
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:57 pm to Fratigerguy
Are you a deer biologist?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:15 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:They actually did a lot of that. I can't recall the year. Google Earth shows it.
Bayou cocodrie biggest problem is too much mature timber. They need to do a whole lot of thinning. Mature hardwoods are great and are pretty but they only provide food so many months out the year. Open it up and put some sunlight on the ground and it would be a paradise
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:17 pm to Fratigerguy
quote:This is utterly false. Have you even heard of genetics?
culling through hunting has made any difference in improving genetic abnormalities, antler size, antler points, or the removal of those undesirable traits.
quote:Exactly. None of us would be here if this were not true.
We are talking about altering a deer herd for genetic makeup through selective harvest. Not using literal terms in saying "Buck X won't breed anymore so his specific genome won't be passed on...AH HA!!! PROOF!! We altered genetics!!"
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:02 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
This is utterly false. Have you even heard of genetics?
Proof is in the pudding, big guy. Show me.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:17 pm to Fratigerguy
No, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and I'm kinda small.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:13 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:28 pm to baldona
quote:
One of the reasons I was told for smaller rack bucks as 1.5 year olds was they were late birth bucks, bucks that were conceived on the 2nd or 3rd rut and therefore born later in the year. After 2 years they are able to catch up, but the first 1.5 they aren't. That's why you shouldn't shoot any 'cull' 1.5 year olds.
Makes sense to me, but who knows?
Agree with this completely.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:45 pm to SportTiger1
There was actually some really good data on this from one of the wmas in Alabama where they aged the yearlings harvested by cementum anuli and were able to separate by birth month. Needless to say, there was an indisputable correlation between number of antler points for yearlings and their birth month.
In TX there was a study...it may have been Dr Kroll's but can't remember off hand...anyway, the number of yearlings in the herd as a percentage that were spikes nearly tripled during years of drought conditions. And I don't mean like 2% to 6%. It was nearly 75% that were spikes during drought years.
They've also shown stuff as simple as a fawn born to a yearling mother won't have much chance of having forks...fawns born as a set of triplets won't get as much as a fawn born as a single. There is so much that goes into this crap in wild populations that people don't think about. Bottom line is shoot if you want to shoot. Fill your freezer up and have deer chili every night. Just don't try to claim you are doing it for the good of the antler genetics of the deer herd.
In TX there was a study...it may have been Dr Kroll's but can't remember off hand...anyway, the number of yearlings in the herd as a percentage that were spikes nearly tripled during years of drought conditions. And I don't mean like 2% to 6%. It was nearly 75% that were spikes during drought years.
They've also shown stuff as simple as a fawn born to a yearling mother won't have much chance of having forks...fawns born as a set of triplets won't get as much as a fawn born as a single. There is so much that goes into this crap in wild populations that people don't think about. Bottom line is shoot if you want to shoot. Fill your freezer up and have deer chili every night. Just don't try to claim you are doing it for the good of the antler genetics of the deer herd.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:50 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Neither had 8 points after their 2nd set of antlers
Ahh. I missed this earlier.
How about this deer? 3rd set of antlers...
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:53 pm to Fratigerguy
It was a velvet injury to both sides. You ready for the 4th set??
You ready?
Brace yourself.
You're gonna say it's bullshite.
Really.....
You ready?
Brace yourself.
You're gonna say it's bullshite.
Really.....
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