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re: school me on 1911's.... thinking of getting a kimber
Posted on 7/29/14 at 4:29 pm to Buck_Rogers
Posted on 7/29/14 at 4:29 pm to Buck_Rogers
It often comes down often to a preference between MIM parts or parts machined from forged bar stock, with the idea that machined parts represent a higher level of craftsmanship.
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 4:58 pm to bbvdd
H&K uses MIM parts too. Give the fact the USP will live on a diet of +P ammo there is little merit in the arguments that MIM parts are somehow inferior these days. You'll see someone rant about MIM parts in a 1911 and rave about their CPM S90V bladed knife a minute later... 
Posted on 7/29/14 at 5:50 pm to Buck_Rogers
Oh. Cool.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:56 pm to Clames
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H&K uses MIM parts too. Give the fact the USP will live on a diet of +P ammo there is little merit in the arguments that MIM parts are somehow inferior these days. You'll see someone rant about MIM parts in a 1911 and rave about their CPM S90V bladed knife a minute later...
Probably because harder metals that are great with edge retention are often brittle and not made for abuse. That's a bit off subject though.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:07 pm to upgrade
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What is the OB opinion of the Ruger 1911?
I know when they came out stores couldn't keep em on the shelf.
This is why I love this board.
Never have held the Ruger, but it looks like every revue... well made.
I bought a Kimber custom II, and loved it. Loved the trigger especially... went shooting with a work buddy and he bought it from me for a hundred more than I paid for it. (850.)
I miss that gun... (selling a gun is like giving away a puppy that you liked... right?)
since I bought these...
too soon, but... I have more love for the Colt.
I (no marksman) shoot so far better (if 2 trips and a hundred rounds count) with the colt rail gun with combat sights and cheap ammo than the Springfield Range Officer with adjustable sights with the same cheap ammo. (the springer is from the custom shop..nm)
Out of the 3 that I have owned...and shot (Ruger may be included the next time I compare)
My rating is...
1: Colt xse(did they rearrange the letters to sex for more subconscious sales?) Rail Gun.
2: Kimber Custom II
3: Springfield Range Officer
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:21 pm to GoT1de
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(the springer is from the custom shop..nm)
nah bruh. nm just means the frame was finished in the American facility. Custom Shop 5" guns start at about 2500 dollars and have a year plus wait depending on what model you're after.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:27 pm to LouisianaChessie
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nah bruh. nm just means the frame was finished in the American facility. Custom Shop 5" guns start at about 2500 dollars and have a year plus wait depending on what model you're after.
I meant what you said... I know Springfields parts are manufactured in So. America, (Brazil?)
but the nm ARE assembled at the same custom shop.. am I wrong on this as well?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:30 pm to 632627
If I was spending around $1k I'd have to get a colt just to have a colt.
I will own some flavor of colt one day. Preferably a SAA but I have a want for a delta elite.
I will own some flavor of colt one day. Preferably a SAA but I have a want for a delta elite.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:32 pm to GoT1de
The Springfield Armory Custom Shop has never touched any of the production models from the factory. There is an American production factory that handles the mil-spec RO TM and TRPs (all NM frame guns). These are all "production" run guns and are not hand built. The SACS builds each gun from the ground up. SACS gets raw oversized frames and the NM frames have as much work done on them before they leave brazil as they allow without being a product of brazil.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:47 pm to LouisianaChessie
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There is an American production factory that handles the mil-spec RO TM and TRPs (all NM frame guns). These are all "production" run guns and are not hand built.
Without looking at any data, I bet you are correct.
But... My Springfield hasn't had a problem.
I hit black every shot.
It's a mid range 1911. I like it.
(but not as much as I like the Colt, or the Kimber... which is what this thread is about)
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:51 pm to GoT1de
LC is a Springfield homer like I'm a 1911 homer.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:03 pm to GoT1de
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But... My Springfield hasn't had a problem. I hit black every shot.
Not saying its a bad gun. I own one of the aforementioned and like KR alluded to I'm a big fan to say the least.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:11 pm to LouisianaChessie
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I'm a big fan to say the least.
Me too. 
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:13 pm to upgrade
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What is the OB opinion of the Ruger 1911?
I'll be reviewing one in commander size in the near future. My friend has one and it is easily the best American 1911 at its price point. Yea it has a MIMed frame, but that's just one reason the price is so good. I have yet to read a report of a Ruger 1911 having a frame failure.
I am quite shocked at the level of quality and fit they are able to provide at such an awesome price point. Ruger really nailed it. Hands down.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:42 pm to LouisianaChessie
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Probably because harder metals that are great with edge retention are often brittle and not made for abuse. That's a bit off subject though.
S90V is tougher than 440C at any given hardness and not far from D2. It's basically as tough as D2 with better corrosion resistance than 440C which shows what particle metallurgy (and MIM is particle metallurgy) can do. MIM parts can be made with superior characteristics because they can be alloyed in ways typical forge-ready barstock can't.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:10 pm to Clames
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. It's basically as tough as D2 with better corrosion resistance than 440C which shows what particle metallurgy
Which is why its so damn expensive. Surely most 1911 makers aren't using this quality of metal in their small parts. I realize that a lot of the MIM parts in the guns these days are better than some forged parts of old. Metal technology has come a long way but the stereotypes remain. Kinda like wood in boat hulls. That yellowfin laughs at.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 5:01 am to GoT1de
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This is why I love this board. Never have held the Ruger, but it looks like every revue... well made.
Not really sure what your trying to say here.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:02 am to upgrade
I didn't get that either.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:43 am to bapple
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Yea it has a MIMed frame...
Are you sure about this, or did you mean an investment cast frame? MIM and investment casting are two different animals.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 10:38 am to Buck_Rogers
I'm picking up a month old cz 75b 9mm at a great price. Looks like the 1911 will have to wait.
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