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re: Question about guns ... warning, dumb question inside.

Posted on 7/18/16 at 2:45 am to
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69181 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 2:45 am to
Because if your gun gets stolen, and i get shot... i want my family to know that you were the idiot careless enough to have your gun stolen by a thug.

As far as your second, asinine argument, the supreme court interprets the constitution and creates laws based on it.

If you really think you should be able to own a fighter jet, a nuclear bomb and chemical weapons then you're an imbecile.
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 2:47 am
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5905 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 2:52 am to
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Because if your gun gets stolen, and i get shot... i want my family to know that you were the idiot careless enough to have your gun stolen by a thug.


So if someone breaks into your house and robs you, it is your fault? Cool. What you are saying is that you want people to be liable for being victims of a crime.
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As far as your second, asinine argument, the supreme court interprets the constitution and creates laws based on it.

So if you ever took an American history class you would know that the Supreme court declares laws constitutional or not, they do not create them. That is what congress does.
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If you really think you should be able to own a fighter jet, a nuclear bomb and chemical weapons then you're an imbecile.

Nice personal attack. It really helps prove your point.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16768 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 2:53 am to
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Can or do you hunt with this gun?



LINK
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69181 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:03 am to
Majored in history ... thanks.

1. Yes, i want a trail. If someone breaks into your house you aren't at fault.. obviously. When you leave it on the trunk of your car ... i want to know that you were an idiot. Wouldn't registration be nice in that instance?

Or how about if you killed me and in a rush left the gun at the scene. A gun that you bought a week earlier. Would be helpful for an investigation, no?

2. Thanks for a semantical argument. I'm well aware of the legislative, executive and judicial branches. Now go read up on statutory vs. constitutional law. Interpretation of law = defining = creating.

3. You had no response. Clearly there needs to be checks and balances on WMD, right?
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 3:07 am
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5905 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:08 am to
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Yes, i want a trail. If someone breaks into your house you aren't at fault.. obviously. When you leave it on the trunk of your car ... i want to know that you were an idiot. But nice misdirection argument.


Your vehicle is an extension of your home.
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Thanks for a semantical argument. I'm well aware of the legislative, executive and judicial branches. Now go read up on statutory vs. constitutional law. Interpretation of law = defining = creating.


You made the claim that supreme court creates law. They do not. I was making a statement, not arguing.
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You had no response. Clearly there needs to be checks and balances on WMD, right?

I think you should be able to own a nuke as well.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69181 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:09 am to
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I think you should be able to own a nuke as well


That's it. You win.
Posted by A_bear
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2013
2479 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:36 am to
With the exception of my handguns and my ducks unlimited henry 22lr, I don't own a gun that I don't hunt with. With that being said, I do own an "AR", or modern sporting rifle, chambered in 6.5 Grendel. Personally, I wouldn't hunt deer with a 223/5.56. I've done it when I was in my teens and I killed a little buck because my shot placement was spot on. The deer only made it about 30 yards before crashing but there was no blood leading up to him. Shot a doe with the same rifle and never recovered her because my shot was slightly off. Sold the rifle after that. However, that gun was fun as hell and very cheap to shoot at the range. So I could definitely see owning one just to take to the range. If you research just a little, you'll see that not all "AR's" are chambered for the same round. You can get a gun that looks the same to most people, chambered in calibers ranging from 223/5.56 all the way to 300 win mag. So the hunting application of the weapon system is definitely there. I've had modern sporting rifles chambered in 223, 308, 300 blackout, and 6.5 Grendel. I like to hunt with them because the area I hunt is infested with hogs and it's very common to have a pack walk up on me while I'm hunting or for me to walk up on a pack while I'm walking through the woods. Also, I'd never carry mine out in public. I have handguns that attract no attention at all when hidden under my shirt.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28579 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:16 am to
I've shot a tire and a riverbank and once we shot bottles with an AK.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15074 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:18 am to
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First off, i fully support the 2nd amendment no matter what type of gun. (Save fully automatic which you can't just buy anyway)


So you don't support the 2nd Amendment.

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Is there a purpose to owning one?


Self Defense
Hunting
Plinking
Competitive Shooting

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I'm fine with people owning them but more curious as to why you would?


I enjoy hunting and recreational shooting. Also defend myself from threats on my life.

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What would be the purpose of owning this gun besides protection from home invasion? Seems extreme ... why not just a handgun? Shouldn't that be enough?


far more homicides are committed using handguns than Ar-15's or even rifles for that matter. That is one of the reasons that the whole "ban assault rifles" is so duimb.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12232 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:23 am to
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GeorgeTheGreek


Even though I sense a little bit of confirmation bias, I do appreciate you coming here to learn more about the AR15.

I'm a concealed carry instructor in Louisiana and have taken numerous defensive firearm courses. I've trained on a few different handguns and I've trained on my AR15. Here are my reasons for it, plus some statistics to dispel any myths:

1. The AR15 is one of the most effective self defense weapons on the planet. There's a reason law enforcement has gravitated to them.

2. Any method of making a firearm more effective for the individual makes it more effective for killing. There is no way around that and no amount of manual safeties or ammunition regulations will change that. It's simple logic.

3. The AR15 is a very effective firearm for women to use. It is lighter than a shotgun, has less felt recoil than a shotgun, and holds more ammo than a shotgun. I'm not saying a shotgun isn't effective but that's why I have an AR next to my bed and not a shotgun.

4. It's already been stated but handgun rounds are very bad at stopping people. We choose to carry them because they are small. Rifle and shotgun rounds are much more effective when it comes to stopping people.

Now the statistics:

5. The AR15 is the most common long gun in the US. It has also dropped in price over the years.

6. Despite that, the AR15 still accounts for less than 3% of firearm homicides each year. Handguns account for the other 97%. So creating legislation to limit a rifle that is so popular and is hardly ever used in crimes does nothing but limit the citizen's ability to protect his or her self.

7. Firearm registration programs have wasted public money in many states without providing real assistance in investigations.

If you have any other questions let me know.
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 7:41 am
Posted by AFtigerFan
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
3735 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:25 am to
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Your vehicle is an extension of your home.


But, like he said, if you leave it ON the trunk of your car and it gets stolen, you are an irresponsible gun owner. He didn't say IN the trunk of your car.
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I think you should be able to own a nuke as well.

Ah, never mind, you're one of those. Carry on then.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95642 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:34 am to
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What would be the purpose of owning this gun besides protection from home invasion?


I cannot fully predict the nature of the threat. I want as flexible a response as available when the unthinkable happens. I have hundreds of contact hours and 10s of thousands of rounds experience through AR-15 platforms from my military service. That directly transfers to my civilian (non-select fire) AR-15 weapons/variants.

That is why I chose the AR-15.

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Can or do you hunt with this gun?


Absolutely, although you may have to pick an upgunned caliber in the smaller platform, or move up to the AR-10 which is .308 Win/7.62MM - arguably ( I see both sides, but it is at least arguable, thus the italics) sufficient to take any game in North America.

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Would there ever be a reason to be in public with one?


Freedom. It's just aluminum, plastic and steel.


Lots of folks shoot these guns competitively (3-gun, mostly) and there are almost as many accessories for the AR-15 platform as there are for the Ruger 10/22 - and, in fact, in recent years they may have edged into first place in that regard. You can buy/build an AR-15 in almost any configuration from a suppressed pistol (NFA paperwork applies), out to a precision semiautomatic rifle with sub-MOA capable of impressing your friends at 800 to (maybe) 1000 yards (I'm thinking mainly of 6.8 SPC).

This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 7:39 am
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:43 am to
Good question, George.

I believe the 2A was written so that the citizens could protect themselves from others, including from a government that they deemed out of control.

If the citizens need to take back the government, which guns would you rather them not have?

In Turkey last week, as the revolting military was shooting it's own citizens, the citizens were chanting and booing!! You know why? That's all they could do.

Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19269 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:44 am to
An ar is like a hot rod car you can buy after market parts tinker with it swap out diff caliber uppers fun as heck to shoot yes many people hunt with them. Cheep to own and operate. Carry one around in public is not wise in my opinion. Home defense shotgun is ideal.
Fisherman? Well shotgun on a boat is great for moping the deck ar is for detail work that may be needed.
Pirates do exist
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32604 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:49 am to
Im not trying to be a dick with my answer here, just trying to put it in relation to other things in life.


What is the purpose in owning a range rover, when one can use a pinto for the same thing?

What is the purpose in wearing ralph lauren, brooks bros, southern tide clothes... when one can wear clothes from walmart for the same purposes?

People enjoy different things in life. Some peoole buy guns and dont even shoot them, they just like to collect.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15074 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 7:58 am to
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The right to bear arms, by definition, means anything you can hold.


That is a completely false statement. When the Bill of Rights was written citizens owned cannons (and still do). I don't know about you but I can't hold a cannon.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12691 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 8:19 am to
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First and foremost my reason for owning one is that its my constitutional right and weather or not you feel I "need" one makes absolutely no difference to me at all, that decision isn't up to you.


with a guy that has gone over the top to say hes not trying to grill anyone about it, just that he is unfamiliar and wants to learn more about their use....

on a message board with no bearings on those rights staying or going....

if that cant be a safe space to just drop the "its mah riiights" talk and just have a non-confrontational discussion, im not sure what would be.

most very friendly, but a few...
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 8:22 am
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12691 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 8:21 am to
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What is the purpose in owning a range rover, when one can use a pinto for the same thing?

What is the purpose in wearing ralph lauren, brooks bros, southern tide clothes... when one can wear clothes from walmart for the same purposes?

People enjoy different things in life. Some peoole buy guns and dont even shoot them, they just like to collect.


its true - i think he was likewise getting at what is the root of having something at that higher level. whether it was vanity/status, or utility.

seems his answer has been a little of each.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5869 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 8:31 am to
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u can pull all sorts of supreme court crap that the idiots on there have said. You have to look at the intention of the second amendment. It is to protect against tyranny. You need to have the ability to own whatever the government owns


Considering it's literally the Supreme Court's job to interpret the intent of the law and the U.S. Constitution, I think he's good quoting Supreme Court opinions haha.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25349 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 8:32 am to
GTG = troll

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