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re: Question about guns ... warning, dumb question inside.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:38 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:38 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I think a fully automatic gun is a gun of war ... and what i mean by that is that the gun is specifically designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible
The main purpose for full auto capability, especially with a belt-fed like a squad automatic weapon (SAW), is suppressive fire.
Imagine you're pinned down by enemy fire and you're trying to link up with a group of soldiers that are 100 yards away. They can use full auto to suppress the enemy while you change positions. Then again, the argument can be made that you can still provide suppressive fire with a semi automatic.
I don't see a purpose for full auto since it wastes ammo and isn't nearly as accurate as precise shots in semi automatic.
But this doesn't mean that I have any problem with civilians owning them. Long guns are used in a miniscule number or murders each year anyway (less than 3%).
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:13 pm to ecb
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See if you can find a coherent definition for Assault Rifle as it applies to civilian versions, which are not really "assault" rifles in the military sense anyway since they are not full auto.
Scary looking weapon with higher capacity magazine than is normally allowed for hunting is all they are.
Assault rifles are carbines that fire high velocity, intermediate caliber cartridges supplied from a detachable magazine, with the ability to select from semi-auto to fully auto loading capability.
Assault style rifles are carbines that fire high velocity, intermediate caliber cartridges supplied from a detachable magazine, with semi-auto loading capability.
Both are EXTREMLY efficient at dispatching multiple armed and lightly armored targets in a short time period due to the maneuverability of the carbine, the ability to quickly re-acquire the target due to low recoil, and, with the proper projectile, piercing up to level IIIa body armor.
An assault rifle doesn't have to be employed in full-auto mode in order to be considered an assault rifle, therefore an AR-15 can mimic an assault rifle selected for semi-auto loading. ie, there's very little substantive difference between an assault rifle and an assault style rifle.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:32 pm to bapple
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The main purpose for full auto capability, especially with a belt-fed like a squad automatic weapon (SAW), is suppressive fire.
True. Below the true machinegun (not the ATF definition, but a real machinegun) - automatic rifles (or assault rifles) are only mimicking machineguns and only deliver the suppressive fire capabilities, not the true killing power of the machinegun.
A machinegun has 2 primary effects - the lethal cone and the suppressive fire effect. The way a skilled machinegunner (primarily in the defensive, and this goes back to WWI mainly) performs his craft is to sweep the infantry assault, delivering suppressing fire which forces them to stop or slow down significantly, then seek cover and concealment. Once the assault is disrupted, the machinegunner then delivers a cone of fire to beat down and kill/wound as many of the suppressed members of the assaulting force as possible until a counterattack or withdrawal.
No rifle or carbine can do this, no matter how well made, because of ammunition restrictions, design restrictions (even the SAW and earlier BAR do not have barrels suitable for sustained automatic weapon fire - even true machineguns often ship and deploy with spare barrels - just in case a Chinese regiment crests a ridge on 3 sides of you.)
A true machinegun is crew served with 1 cat exclusively devoted to keeping the weapon fed with fresh belts of ammo.
"Assault" weapons seek to bridge the gap between the general purpose/light machineguns and the rifle - to afford either an "assaulting" or mobile defense force at the very least the suppressive fire capabilities of the machinegun, even if they have to skimp on the cone of fire lethal effects.
And, take the tank - a combat vehicle initially intended to bring machineguns forward into the offense. Only later did tanks' focus shift to fighting other tanks.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Both are EXTREMLY efficient at dispatching multiple armed and lightly armored targets in a short time period due to the maneuverability of the carbine, the ability to quickly re-acquire the target due to low recoil, and, with the proper projectile, piercing up to level IIIa body armor.
Except in the real world, such rifles are not effective against lightly armored targets, especially behind high-hardness materials like glass and bricks which shatter the small bullets moving at high velocity. Also, Level IIIa armor is defeated by almost all centerfire rifle cartridges, no special bullets necessary.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:23 pm to Clames
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Except in the real world, such rifles are not effective against lightly armored targets
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Level IIIa armor is defeated by almost all centerfire rifle cartridges
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...no special bullets necessary.
I wouldn't count on hollow points penetrating it.
But I swear, talking about ar-15s with gun enthusiasts is just like talking about LGBT issues with liberals. There's always SOMETHING that someone is going to take exception to.
frick all y'all, Ima call em clips and queers.
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