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Pond issues - catfish/turtles eating bream?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:24 am
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:24 am
We stocked 10,000 3/4 to 1-inch bream in May 2012 and 12,000 3/4 to 1-inch bream in May 2014 in a three acre pond.
The last two years our camp members have never caught more than two or three decent bream at a time.
The pond is healthy as far as I can tell. We've had two floods when the river rose over the pond but I just can't see that many fish getting out. Maybe so?
Do you guys think catfish could have gotten in the pond from the river and are eating all the bream? Could it be turtles? The pond is loaded with turtles in the summer.
I know no one can give a definite answer but I'm looking for any suggestions. It's pretty frustrating.
Thanks for your time
The last two years our camp members have never caught more than two or three decent bream at a time.
The pond is healthy as far as I can tell. We've had two floods when the river rose over the pond but I just can't see that many fish getting out. Maybe so?
Do you guys think catfish could have gotten in the pond from the river and are eating all the bream? Could it be turtles? The pond is loaded with turtles in the summer.
I know no one can give a definite answer but I'm looking for any suggestions. It's pretty frustrating.
Thanks for your time
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:27 am to Palmetto08
quote:Are they catching small ones?
our camp members have never caught more than two or three decent bream at a time.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:27 am to Palmetto08
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We've had two floods when the river rose over the pond but I just can't see that many fish getting out. Maybe so?
I would think definitely so.
Are you catching small ones? From what I've read, and in my experience, the biggest problem with bream is keeping them from overrunning a pond.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:31 am to Palmetto08
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Pond issues
Paging NascarFan!
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:46 am to Palmetto08
22,000 bream seems like a lot for a 3 acre pond.
Absolutely.
I'd be shy about stocking something that a river swells over the levees every other year... let mother nature do her own work.
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We've had two floods when the river rose over the pond but I just can't see that many fish getting out. Maybe so?
Absolutely.
I'd be shy about stocking something that a river swells over the levees every other year... let mother nature do her own work.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:00 pm to Palmetto08
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We stocked 10,000 3/4 to 1-inch bream in May 2012 and 12,000 3/4 to 1-inch bream in May 2014 in a three acre pond.
Holy crap, that's a lot of bream for a pond. I don't think I would have put a twentieth of that many bream in.
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The last two years our camp members have never caught more than two or three decent bream at a time.
When are they fishing for them? I've found pond bream are hard to catch until it warms up.
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We've had two floods when the river rose over the pond but I just can't see that many fish getting out. Maybe so?
Your bream went down the river. If it hadn't flooded, you would have been overpopulated with bream.
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Do you guys think catfish could have gotten in the pond from the river
Yes.
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nd are eating all the bream?
No.
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Could it be turtles?
No.
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The pond is loaded with turtles in the summer.
Target practice.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:05 pm to Palmetto08
prolly too many fish the same size competing for the same size of food.. food for them is too scarce and most will starve and die.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:08 pm to Palmetto08
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Do you guys think catfish could have gotten in the pond from the river and are eating all the bream?
If the river flooded your pond, you have way more in there than catfish and what's left of your fingerlings.
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Could it be turtles? The pond is loaded with turtles in the summer
They really don't do to much damage to a bream population, but I'd catch them all out of there anyway.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:31 pm to tenfoe
Wayyy too many fish in that pond.
They will never grow because the demand for food is so great. Id keep about 10,000 of them
They will never grow because the demand for food is so great. Id keep about 10,000 of them
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:36 pm to ToulatownTiger
Thanks for the replies. No, not even small bream are being caught.
We used a reputable pond management company so I figured they knew what they were doing. The guy at the company suggested that rather than wait for fall to introduce some larger bream, we introduce 12,000 3/4 to 1-inch bream.
Sounds like a mixture of flooding and over population were our main issues.
Would you drain and start over? It's a club so lots of differing opinions but I kind of agree to not put that much money into a pond that could spill over during major storms.
We used a reputable pond management company so I figured they knew what they were doing. The guy at the company suggested that rather than wait for fall to introduce some larger bream, we introduce 12,000 3/4 to 1-inch bream.
Sounds like a mixture of flooding and over population were our main issues.
Would you drain and start over? It's a club so lots of differing opinions but I kind of agree to not put that much money into a pond that could spill over during major storms.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:45 pm to Palmetto08
Overpopulation is pretty easy to tell, a cricket wont last long. Sounds like flooding is your issue.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:23 pm to Palmetto08
Can someone throw floating feed daily or set up an feeder to get them to pattern to a certain spot? If so, throw a cast net during a feeding and you'll see what you've got.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:33 pm to Palmetto08
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The pond is healthy as far as I can tell.
if you don't clean your pond, it isn't healthy
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:38 pm to Palmetto08
If you have any bream at all, they will rebound. JMO, I am no pond expert.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:58 pm to aVatiger
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if you don't clean your pond, it isn't healthy
We fertilize but could probably do more
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Can someone throw floating feed daily or set up an feeder to get them to pattern to a certain spot? If so, throw a cast net during a feeding and you'll see what you've got.
We have two feeders that go off twice a day (I think) There's almost no activity at all when feeders go off except for some turtles. But the cast net is a good idea
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:02 pm to Clyde Tipton
quote:and get what? just catfish?
let mother nature do her own work.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:05 pm to Palmetto08
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We have two feeders that go off twice a day (I think) There's almost no activity at all when feeders go off except for some turtles.
That's really strange. I would agree that the flooding from the river is you major concern.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:18 pm to Palmetto08
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Bream should be stocked in the fall with bass the following spring. Lutz recommends 1,000 bream per acre along with 100 bass per acre in fertilized ponds. The bream population can be a combination of two species such as 700 bluegill and 300 redear with bluegill in the majority. The numbers of bass and bream should be half for unfertilized ponds.
From the LSU Ag center LINK
Sounds like your fish supplier has set his hooks more than ya'll have.
In the end, I wouldn't waste money on a pond that floods out when the river rises. All you are doing is helping out the river stock.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:28 pm to Palmetto08
I'm no expert, but with a pond and potential die off due to over crowding...would ammonia buildup/nitrates due to decay become a problem too (displacing oxygen).
Do you also need to aerate a pond?
Experience is just with aquariums...and yes, I know....ponds are not aquariums.
Do you also need to aerate a pond?
Experience is just with aquariums...and yes, I know....ponds are not aquariums.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:30 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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ponds are not aquariums.
Same problems for both though.
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