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re: Planting 75 sawtooth seedlings today and tomorrow
Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:48 pm to The Levee
Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:48 pm to The Levee
I planted a bunch of seedlings probably 6-7 years ago, but no acorns yet. We have a property with several mature sawtooth groves, approximately 1.5 - 2 acres in Claiborne County, MS. These trees are probably 30 years old and planted on a 7 yard grid. These make for an unbelievable target-rich bowhunting spot. Lots of action, both hogs and deer. The ground below the trees when they are dropping is 1 - 2 acres of dust from all the animals walking in there.
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:53 pm to The Levee
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Fertilize 2X year. What kind of fertilizer?
If you have a time when it’s looking like rain hitting every day, for 3-4 days or more, in a row. I use a cheap 13-13-13 and Ironite. The Iron is a mineral, needed in trees and plants.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:49 am to The Levee
Don't listen to the negatives, they grow easy, produce a large acorn at about 6 years, and you will have all the deer in the neighborhood in your yard in Aug/Sept. I grew all of mine from acorns of two large trees already in my yard, a little triple 13 gives them a boost. I enjoy watching deer, they're perfect for me.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:08 am to The Levee
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How long till we see acorns?
Mine started at year 7. I use cheap triple 13 from Tractor supply to fertilize them.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:09 pm to RockoRou
we've had some of them rooted up by hogs already
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:47 am to The Levee
I have about 13 acres of ST in Amite County and they started producing in the 9th year. They’re 24 years old now and rain nuts every Sep/Oct. I killed a nice velvet buck in them this year during the velvet weekend. Every deer around is in them when the nuts fall. I would plant on 12-15’ spacing, then thin as required after about 10 years. They need area to crown out to optimize production.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:18 am to PlaySomeHonk
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I killed a nice velvet buck in them this year during the velvet weekend.
I'm genuinely curious when I ask this, but what is the fascination with killing a velvet buck? Maybe fascination is not the way to word that, but interest. What is the interest?
I've seen where some states are opening specific seasons for velvet bucks, and it's something that I've never been able to understand. Why is a deer in velvet something that people want to hunt?
Again, I don't mean that question in any negative way, and I don't mean to get this discussion going a different direction. Just genuinely curious is all.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 8:19 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:58 am to PlaySomeHonk
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have about 13 acres of ST in Amite County and they started producing in the 9th year
I am also in Amite County. We’ve had good luck with sawtooths in our neck of the woods. My dad planted some several years ago and they are doing very well.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:09 am to Cowboyfan89
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what is the fascination with killing a velvet buck? Maybe fascination is not the way to word that, but interest. What is the interest?
I'm not really interested in the velvet, but if La. opened an early season, I'd go just to get in the woods earlier with a better chance of killing a good buck before the pressure gets put on them.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:13 am to REB BEER
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what is the fascination with killing a velvet buck?
Same reason there is a fascination of banded ducks. Something that’s rare.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:47 am to ABucks11
Velvet buck shoulder mounts look great....its that simple
My real concern is providing food for the deer coming out of the summer browse and packing on pounds for the colder months....without having to supplement with corn/protein.
Trying to go natural
My real concern is providing food for the deer coming out of the summer browse and packing on pounds for the colder months....without having to supplement with corn/protein.
Trying to go natural
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:05 am to Cowboyfan89
I feel the same about velvet bucks. I think it’s the novelty of it more than anything.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:44 am to 257WBY
So these things are done dropping by the time bucks are hard hornd?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:47 am to GREENHEAD22
yeah they drop in October but theres a ton of them....adding lots of fat and protein to your herd
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:56 am to The Levee
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My real concern is providing food for the deer coming out of the summer browse and packing on pounds for the colder months....without having to supplement with corn/protein.
If that's your main concern, plant blackberry(rubus) bushes if you don't have them growing naturally. And plant in covered areas. If you have rubus growing naturally, throw some 13-13-13 on it so it grows and spreads. It's the number 1 wintertime browse in the south for WTD. They will normally keep their leaves as long as long as they're not exposed to direct frost.
The acorns a good early/mid season source of food, but they can feed on the rubus late into and after deer season closes.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:16 am to ABucks11
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Same reason there is a fascination of banded ducks. Something that’s rare.
Killing one might be a rare opportunity, but velvet bucks aren't rare. Not in the same sense that a banded duck is rare.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:21 am to REB BEER
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If that's your main concern, plant blackberry(rubus) bushes if you don't have them growing naturally. And plant in covered areas. If you have rubus growing naturally, throw some 13-13-13 on it so it grows and spreads. It's the number 1 wintertime browse in the south for WTD. They will normally keep their leaves as long as long as they're not exposed to direct frost.
The acorns a good early/mid season source of food, but they can feed on the rubus late into and after deer season closes.
You could say the same for just about any native browse. Plenty of plants you can promote that will continue to provide food through the fall and winter that isn't a non-native. Just in the time period that sawtooths drop there are other native trees producing food for deer.
I don't fault a guy for wanting to use them, but I wish the knuckleheads in wildlife departments/DNRs and NGOs would have put more emphasis on promoting native food sources and not a Chinese oak.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:48 pm to REB BEER
Thanks RED BEER...I'll look into it...we planted a bunch of mulburry too
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:39 pm to Clyde Tipton
quote:I sprouted four from acorns from my neighbors tree and stuck them out in a field, I think they are coming up on six or seven now. Good looking trees but no acorns yet
Mine started at year 7. I use cheap triple 13 from Tractor supply to fertilize them.
I haven’t fertilized I guess I’ll try it
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:45 pm to Cowboyfan89
Good question. In my case, it’s a couple of reasons. I would only kill a velvet buck that I would mount, and I will only mount mature bucks. So it’s not like I would kill a 1.5 or 2.5 yo buck in velvet. Second is that these sawtooths drop heavy in Sep, before MS archery season opens on Oct 1. It’s deer central in there in Sep and it’s pretty exciting anytime there are that many deer around all times of the day.
So the buck is at the taxidermist and I will hang his arse next to my few other mounts in my man cabin. To me, mounts are like photo’s; they remind me of the excitement of that particular hunt and harvest.
So the buck is at the taxidermist and I will hang his arse next to my few other mounts in my man cabin. To me, mounts are like photo’s; they remind me of the excitement of that particular hunt and harvest.
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