re: One reason shotguns suck for some defense

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that way you can go to jail! Hooray!!

A double-barrel shotgun has advantages inside due to its short length

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I'm not worried about that. I live in South Ark. No one here is gonna be measuring barrels. Not to mention my LE ties. The one pictured is legal BTW

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Besides, if a bullet can't go through sheetrock, it sure as hell aint going to go through the bad guy

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Remind me not to sleep in your spare bedroom.

I don't know of a top-tier defensive firearm instructor that would ever recommend birdshot.


As far as "spread," or lack thereof, from a shotgun, Tom Givens offers the following:

"The primary advantage of buckshot is not a widely spread pattern to help you make up for poor marksmanship. That approach inevitably leads to pellets off target, which create whole new problems. The real advantages of buck at typical defensive engagement distances are:

Multiple, almost simultaneous hits. These help hit more vital structures and make more leaks. One shot with buck is like multiple hits with a handgun. The pellets still need to hit fairly close together in order to all be in the vital zone, not just somewhere on a person. Peripheral hits with buck are no more effective than peripheral hits with pistol bullets."

edited to correct spellllingg

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Is there a non-shotgun that gets more spread?

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Yep.

Range = 5 or less yards

Duration = the time it takes to fire and cycle a pump action shotgun

In that same duration, any semi-auto pistol or carbine can send 3 to 5 rounds

In that same duration, any semi-auto pistol or carbine can disperse a MUCH greater spread than any shotgun at that same range.

There is a reason why entry teams are led with pistols / carbines, not shotguns (after any breaching)

I bought a 18" barrel just last week for my ole wingmaster. Only thing I want for it now is a plus 2 mag ext.

Ready to rock n roll

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Now you've committed a very serious crime

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I'll do a little time to know my family is safe.

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Then use a semi auto shotgun.

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There you go! That's a definite improvement.

You're still limited on rounds.

5 round vs 15 to 30. Hmmm.

That dude handled that situation pretty well.

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You must have a crack barrel or something because by the time you shoot a semi auto 3-5 times

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Note I specified a pump action shotgun above.

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I've hit you with 54-81 .24 caliber pellets from my shotgun.

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I doubt it. You don't have the maneuverability in close quarters to send those rounds my direction.

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This isn't even debatable. Shotgun is so far superior for home defense it's ludicrous to try to say otherwise.

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Marine Corps FAST/RTT teams and Coast Guard TACLET/LEDET teams would strongly disagree. (the ultimate in close quarters teams). In fact, they would tell you exactly what I'm telling you.

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Pistol is last defense only once you don't have any more shotgun shells to throw at them.

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To the contrary. In boardings, the M1911 pistol is the lead entry weapon. Shotgun stays out on deck. The only time a shotgun goes below deck is in the event of a long passageway that may need clearing.

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And rifles are for combat outdoors.

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A rifle with an overall length that is less than the width of doorways in a building is what the pros use.

Step back and take an objective look at this. This sorta stuff was my job for a few years. I want OB members to be educated on this stuff. (frick everyone else...they can stick with hollywood)