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re: Looks like ATF might be rethinking pistol braces
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:47 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:47 am to finchmeister08
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are there any other rights where you have to pay a tax to exercise said right?
I bet they would love 700k pistol brace owners to pay 200 for the right...140 million bucks the easy way.
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Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:03 pm to NOLAGT
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I bet they would love 700k pistol brace owners to pay 200 for the right...140 million bucks the easy way.
My understanding is the 700k number is just the SB3A brace alone. Very good chance the amount the ATF is eyeing could be considerably higher.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:08 pm to lsufan1971
I’ll preface this by saying that i believe the hoops you have to jump through to legally own an SBR (and suppressors for that matter) is asinine. There’s no reason buying/owning these items should be any different from any other firearm. With that being said, in my opinion it’s equally asinine that “pistol braces” were ever considered any different than a stock, so this news comes as no surprise unfortunately.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:13 pm to Soul Gleaux
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in my opinion it’s equally asinine that “pistol braces” were ever considered any different than a stock, so this news comes as no surprise unfortunately.
well, yeah, but don't be wishy washy on your opinion every 2-3 years. and i'm not talking about you. i mean the atf.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:32 pm to jimbeam
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I don’t see how that ever happens.
Scotus case is the only way imo. Too many stupid politicians, especially "I support the 2A but" Republicans. Miller did establish "common use" as I understand though and NFA items are pretty common now so idk. Someone like Clames correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:46 pm to finchmeister08
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well, yeah, but don't be wishy washy on your opinion every 2-3 years. and i'm not talking about you. i mean the atf.
I tend to agree...an adjustable "brace" is not much different than a stock. The Brace could help the handicapped still be able to enjoy shooting.
A big issue lies with the wishy washy BS. Tell me its ok...great...I go out and spend my hard earned money on that I had taxes taken out of. Go spend it on said device and pay taxes on it. Only for it to be band years later and do not get a dime back for it but every one gets to keep there income and taxes.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:54 pm to lsufan1971
clicking this thread just cost me $130 
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:56 pm to 225Tyga
quote:Link?
Oh hey stalker!
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:03 pm to finchmeister08
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you guys are so fricking dense. "it doesn't serve me any purpose so it should be banned. durr-urr-urr."
Its downright scary is what it is.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:06 pm to lsufan1971
700,001 now...my SBA3 comes in today 
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:09 pm to lsufan1971
Defund the ATF
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:12 pm to NOLAGT
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I tend to agree...an adjustable "brace" is not much different than a stock.
that's why i got the Kak blade.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:27 pm to finchmeister08
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that's why i got the Kak blade.
They make them adjustable Kak blades too
They wont stop at the SB braces. If they do anything it will be all "braces" just like it was all "bump stocks" and it will be every CONSUMERS hard earned monies going poof IMO.This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:27 pm to jimbeam
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I don’t see how that ever happens.
We're forcing people to rename rice and pancake brands right now. This is entirely within the realm.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:49 pm to NOLAGT
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Only for it to be band years later and do not get a dime back for it but every one gets to keep there income and taxes.
To be fair, when have they taken stuff away? Most of the time when something is changed everything in the past is grandfather'd in. They haven't come for people's guns.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:52 pm to baldona
Wrong
Slide stocks were not grandfathered
Slide stocks were not grandfathered
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:52 pm to baldona
Bump stock most recently
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:53 pm to baldona
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To be fair, when have they taken stuff away? Most of the time when something is changed everything in the past is grandfather'd in. They haven't come for people's guns.
In some states they have. Cali as an example. Even bump stocks were never grandfathered in at the federal level. You can go to jail for owning one.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:59 pm to baldona
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To be fair, when have they taken stuff away?
originally, the ATF sent an approval letter that the original Sig Brace was okay to use as intended.
people buy them because they think they can shoulder it and circumvent SBR/SBS laws.
the ATF comes back with a new definition of the pistol brace and states that it being used outside it's intended design purpose was illegal because you're "physically altering" the device.
the ATF comes back again and changes their stance on the "physically altering" definition since simply resting the brace against your shoulder isn't technically "physically altering" the design of the brace. "physically altering" would be if you superglued/JB welded a butt plat on the end of the brace and then shoulder it.
all of this took place over the past 5-7 years or so i think.
they literally have nothing better to do right now so they're just creating more work for themselves instead of approving forms for silencers/SBRs/SBSs for law abiding citizens.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 2:00 pm to finchmeister08
quote:At the very least they could get the damn E file form 4s up and running
they literally have nothing better to do right now so they're just creating more work for themselves instead of approving forms for silencers/SBRs/SBSs for law abiding citizens.
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