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re: Looks like ATF might be rethinking pistol braces
Posted on 6/17/20 at 3:57 pm to lsufan1971
Posted on 6/17/20 at 3:57 pm to lsufan1971
Just read an article on The Hayride about this and they had something interesting at the the end. I really like the way 80LowerJig.com breaks down all the back and forth the ATF did on braces(see link in my quote below)...
My question is why are they going after the SB3A when the Sig SB15 was the one that started the whole "brace wars" and is probably more popular than any other brace on the market?
My question is why are they going after the SB3A when the Sig SB15 was the one that started the whole "brace wars" and is probably more popular than any other brace on the market?
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In the meantime, the DIY gun building forum 80 Lower Jig has some helpful advice given ATF’s wavering position on the matter.
“… There’s one big caveat: Don’t show it off. Including the words “incidental”, “sporadic”, and “situational” when saying shouldering a brace is legal is the ATF’s way of backing off the issue without just saying “yes, it’s legal, go for it.” Using such language is the ATF’s way of trying to sway gun owners from doing this utterly harmless task consistently in order to satisfy the complaints from uninformed anti-gun politicians. So, you can do it. But in the strange, small chance you’re standing in front of a zealous ATF agent at your local gun range, we don’t recommend you do it consistently. Only occasionally.”
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 1:09 am to lsufan1971
It's for this very reason that when I looked for an AR, I went with a rifle. Also why I never looked for a brace for my Shockwave.
The rules and laws are not definitive, and I don't want to end up down the road with an illegal weapon, or a useless one.
I've seen people try to shoot the AR and AK pistols, and they're a mess without shouldering.
The rules and laws are not definitive, and I don't want to end up down the road with an illegal weapon, or a useless one.
I've seen people try to shoot the AR and AK pistols, and they're a mess without shouldering.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 2:51 pm to 225Tyga
quote:frick you and your mother.... they need to look at the NFA as a whole because it goes against the 2nd amendment.
Looks like ATF might be rethinking pistol braces
Good, its not necessary
Posted on 6/18/20 at 2:56 pm to Scoob
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I've seen people try to shoot the AR and AK pistols, and they're a mess without shouldering.
You know you can just change barrels and be perfectly legal, right?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 3:32 pm to baldona
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To be fair, when have they taken stuff away?
Go out and buy 7N6 ammo. Go look up the prosecution statistics by the ATF.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:18 pm to Kino74
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My understanding is the 700k number is just the SB3A brace alone.
Hell, I owned 10 before the boating accident.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:24 pm to upgrayedd
quote:barrel and stock, yep. I wouldn't keep a brace if I'm going with a longer barrel. I'd only go with a shorter barrel if I also still shoulder it.
I've seen people try to shoot the AR and AK pistols, and they're a mess without shouldering.
You know you can just change barrels and be perfectly legal, right?
Like I've said, I watched guys shoot Krinkovs without shouldering them, and it looks awkward as hell. In a shootout, I'd rather a real pistol vs that, at least I could move and still stay on target after the first shot. Those guys were barely on paper at 15 yds. And I mean, the big silhouette targets, they were all over the place. It was spray and pray.
I was 2 lanes over, and after awhile I started timing myself with my P226 at the same distances... I could easily raise the Sig and put 4 in a fist-sized group in center mass before they got anything inside the 7 zones
I only hope if it ever comes down to a conflict, I get a "marksman" like that to go against, and he doesn't score a lucky hit before I can end it.
Oh, and I get that the same issue may arise with the Shockwave- I'd need to get a longer barrel and a shoulder stock if they close that loophole. But since it's impossible to shoulder the basic Shockwave grip, I think it's safer legally.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:00 pm to lsufan1971
What if a friend of mine put one of these on a Remington v 3 13 auto 12 gauge? Is he gonna be in trouble? Asking for his wife
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:02 pm to 24nights
Roger and Springfield Armory will fight this.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 11:07 pm to Scoob
I see I got downvotes
So let me point out, I'm not opposed to braces or AR pistols. I wanted one, still would like one. I simply don't trust the ATF, and don't want to get caught up in a "turn it in or you're a felon" wave. Already watching for the Shockwave, but like I said, that birdshead grip makes it harder to shoulder, and thus less likely to be reversed on.
And of course, if they do this for ALL firearms, that's a bridge we're just going to have to cross. Make no mistake, that "non permanent" 4473 form is logged somewhere, and SOMEBODY knows everything you bought over the counter.
That's the great thing about living in a state like Louisiana, there are other legal ways to acquire things...
So let me point out, I'm not opposed to braces or AR pistols. I wanted one, still would like one. I simply don't trust the ATF, and don't want to get caught up in a "turn it in or you're a felon" wave. Already watching for the Shockwave, but like I said, that birdshead grip makes it harder to shoulder, and thus less likely to be reversed on.
And of course, if they do this for ALL firearms, that's a bridge we're just going to have to cross. Make no mistake, that "non permanent" 4473 form is logged somewhere, and SOMEBODY knows everything you bought over the counter.
That's the great thing about living in a state like Louisiana, there are other legal ways to acquire things...
Posted on 6/19/20 at 6:44 am to lsufan1971
Thanks for posting this. I did not know that arm braces were available to put on the pistols. This is a lot more practical than the pistol buffer tube.
What is the best fore grip for pistols besides the vertical?
What is the best fore grip for pistols besides the vertical?
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 6:53 am
Posted on 6/19/20 at 6:48 am to StonewallJack
If you can find one lol
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:41 am to mylsuhat
A fore grip? I am confused.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:44 am to AlxTgr
Hand stop for your support hand
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:51 am to jimbeam
Damn, getting old sucks-that was easy to figure out once I really looked at it.
shite, I guess I should just get a complying rifle barrel. Shortest is 16" ?
shite, I guess I should just get a complying rifle barrel. Shortest is 16" ?
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:56 am to AlxTgr
Or 14.5 pinned. Some companies have 13.7 pinned uppers that are rifle compliant.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:11 am to jimbeam
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Or 14.5 pinned.
And I am rethinking this - my first build is a 14.5 pinned, but I think having a 16 with a removable muzzle device is a lot more future proof and flexible.
If you are pressing for shortest possible final overall length for a (non-SBR) rifle, then pinned 14.5, but otherwise strongly consider a threaded 16 with whatever muzzle device you prefer (down to a thread cover for a crowned barrel final effect).
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:12 am to Ace Midnight
shite, now I have to go search pinned.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:16 am to AlxTgr
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shite, now I have to go search pinned.
Obviously availability is going to be an issue across the board, but if you want a place with relatively reasonable apples-to-apples on the uppers with pinned (you select the device and it is permanent) 14.5 and compared to, essentially, otherwise identical threaded 16s, check out BCM's offerings of complete uppers. Keep in mind you do want to keep the gas systems the same for the closest comparable, but with 16s you have options (or at least more options) for a middy instead of a carbine gas system. (ETA: I just looked and BCM has A LOT more 14.5 middys than I remember).
bravocompanyusa.com
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:18 am to AlxTgr
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14.5 pinned
Not worth it imo, I’ve never understood why its a thing.
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