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re: Let’s Discuss First Lite/Sitka
Posted on 11/14/19 at 8:55 am to GAFF
Posted on 11/14/19 at 8:55 am to GAFF
The main reasons first lite and sitka/kuiu are regarded as the best or at least excellent choices is because they offer thinner warmer clothing compared to others. For the same weight you will get better warmth with less bulk. For alot of stand hunters it's not as a big of a deal but out west in the mountains on a week long trip its significance cant be understated.
The layering from each company is well thought out and tested. And little things like how pockets open/close and location of pockets compartments. Safety harness pass through aren't appreciated until your in the woods
The layering from each company is well thought out and tested. And little things like how pockets open/close and location of pockets compartments. Safety harness pass through aren't appreciated until your in the woods
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Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:12 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Moral of the story is if you want some nice hunting stuff, blow your money on good base layers rather than good outer layers. The base layers are useful far more often than the outters.
I’ll also add that the base layers are great for skiing and hiking. I wear my FL merino base layers all the time.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:50 am to Buster180
quote:There's the secret.
If you are hunting in a box blind you are wasting your money.
If you are hunting in a ladder stand over a food plot in the southeast it is overkill 90% of the time.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 11:09 am to Mahootney
What do y'all consider "cold?"
If it's 45 or below and I'm stationary, I need some extra warmth. That's more like 50% of the season where I hunt in MS and TN.
If it's 45 or below and I'm stationary, I need some extra warmth. That's more like 50% of the season where I hunt in MS and TN.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 11:19 am to GAFF
I can't compare the two however I can tell you my experience.
I hunted Kansas last week and took my Sitka Gear with me.
Temps avg mid/up 20's in am and low 40's, up 30's in the evening. Winds ranged from 25 to calm. Daily avg was 8-15mph.
My Sitka gear comprises of the following:
Fanatic Jacket, vest, and Hoodie
Stratus Bib, Jacket
Non-Sitka Gear
UA 3.0 base layers top and bottom
Long sleeve Camo T-shirt
Camo pants
Wool Socks
I hunted everyday for 7 days and I never put on my Fanatic Jacket. However, only there were 2 days that I wish I would have had it with me. Once was because the wind was blowing 20 and the other was because I walked in with to much on and walked through a 20' ravein and got way to hot and sweaty..
I was honestly surprised that the Hoodie and vest were warm enough without a strong wind. If the wind was blowing above 12-15 I simply put on the Stratus jacket and that handled that.
My hands got really cold, mainly because I was playing on my phone constantly but, the vest has a very warm hand pocket that has well placed "hot hands" pockets.
The best part about the trip when it comes to the clothing was that I never once felt like the kid from A Christmas story. I am sold on Sitka Gear or the like.
One last thing, the pockets are well placed on every piece of gear. They definitely thought outside the box and you can tell they were designed by people that actually use the gear.
I hunted Kansas last week and took my Sitka Gear with me.
Temps avg mid/up 20's in am and low 40's, up 30's in the evening. Winds ranged from 25 to calm. Daily avg was 8-15mph.
My Sitka gear comprises of the following:
Fanatic Jacket, vest, and Hoodie
Stratus Bib, Jacket
Non-Sitka Gear
UA 3.0 base layers top and bottom
Long sleeve Camo T-shirt
Camo pants
Wool Socks
I hunted everyday for 7 days and I never put on my Fanatic Jacket. However, only there were 2 days that I wish I would have had it with me. Once was because the wind was blowing 20 and the other was because I walked in with to much on and walked through a 20' ravein and got way to hot and sweaty..
I was honestly surprised that the Hoodie and vest were warm enough without a strong wind. If the wind was blowing above 12-15 I simply put on the Stratus jacket and that handled that.
My hands got really cold, mainly because I was playing on my phone constantly but, the vest has a very warm hand pocket that has well placed "hot hands" pockets.
The best part about the trip when it comes to the clothing was that I never once felt like the kid from A Christmas story. I am sold on Sitka Gear or the like.
One last thing, the pockets are well placed on every piece of gear. They definitely thought outside the box and you can tell they were designed by people that actually use the gear.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/14/19 at 11:51 am to Lucky_Stryke
quote:
The main reasons first lite and sitka/kuiu are regarded as the best or at least excellent choices is because they offer thinner warmer clothing
I like thinner clothes for wingshooting personally.
The guy laughing at wearing camo in a dove field obviously doesn’t hunt late season migratory birds
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:16 pm to beHop
quote:
What do y'all consider "cold?"
Depends on the other weather factors: wind/rain.
But you can always put on an extra under layer or two.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:55 pm to Mahootney
I switched most of my gear over to firstlite over the last couple years shopping sales or with promo codes. Has been well worth the investment. the merino dries quickly and seems to resist smells better than other fabrics.
60 degrees and above
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants
Shirt: FL Short Sleeve or Long Sleeve Aerowool
Jacket: Cabelas Packable Rain Jacket for any unforeseen wind/rain
Socks: lightweight merino
40-60 degrees
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants and FL Aerowool base layer
Shirt: FL Short or Long Sleeve Aerowool and FL Kiln Hoody
Jacket: FL Corrugate Jacket or FL Uncompaghre Puffy Jacket
Socks: Midweight merino
20-40 degrees
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants and FL Kiln base layer and FL Uncompaghre Puffy Pants if Necessary
Shirt: FL Long Sleeve Aerowool and FL Kiln Hoody
Vest: FL Uncompaghre Vest
Jacket: FL Uncompaghre Puffy Jacket
Socks: Synthetic liners and Midweight merino
20 degrees and less
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants and FL Kiln base layer and FL Uncompaghre Puffy Pants
Shirt: FL Long Sleeve Aerowool and FL Kiln Hoody
Jacket: FL Woodbury Jacket
Socks: Synthetic liners and Heavyweight merino
Survived -1 in Colorado last week with Kiln Baselayers, Obsidian Pants, Uncompaghre Pants and Jacket.
60 degrees and above
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants
Shirt: FL Short Sleeve or Long Sleeve Aerowool
Jacket: Cabelas Packable Rain Jacket for any unforeseen wind/rain
Socks: lightweight merino
40-60 degrees
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants and FL Aerowool base layer
Shirt: FL Short or Long Sleeve Aerowool and FL Kiln Hoody
Jacket: FL Corrugate Jacket or FL Uncompaghre Puffy Jacket
Socks: Midweight merino
20-40 degrees
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants and FL Kiln base layer and FL Uncompaghre Puffy Pants if Necessary
Shirt: FL Long Sleeve Aerowool and FL Kiln Hoody
Vest: FL Uncompaghre Vest
Jacket: FL Uncompaghre Puffy Jacket
Socks: Synthetic liners and Midweight merino
20 degrees and less
Pants: FL Obsidian Merino Pants and FL Kiln base layer and FL Uncompaghre Puffy Pants
Shirt: FL Long Sleeve Aerowool and FL Kiln Hoody
Jacket: FL Woodbury Jacket
Socks: Synthetic liners and Heavyweight merino
Survived -1 in Colorado last week with Kiln Baselayers, Obsidian Pants, Uncompaghre Pants and Jacket.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:20 pm to stein_burgundy
quote:
60 degrees and above
Pants: Cheap camo
Shirt: Short Sleeve camo shirt
Jacket: Cheap camo with packable Rain Jacket
Socks: tube socks
40-60 degrees
Pants: Jeans under less cheap camo with waterproof insulation
Shirt: UA base layer with short sleeve camo shirt
Jacket: Less cheap camo with waterproof insulation
Socks: Wool
Under 40 degrees
Same as above but add UA pants and long sleeve camo instead of short sleeve.
Survived 20 years of hunting.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:26 pm to Mahootney
Hunted in Kuiu gear for 7 days in Colorado, loved the system. Hunted this past weekend in area 2 in the rain for 5 hours in Kuiu rain gear and when I got back to the truck my clothes under were not wet at all! I run the chugach rain gear! Love Kuiu, well worth the money!!
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:20 pm to Mahootney
quote:
60 degrees and above
Pants: Cheap camo
Shirt: Short Sleeve camo shirt
Jacket: Cheap camo with packable Rain Jacket
Socks: tube socks
40-60 degrees
Pants: Jeans under less cheap camo with waterproof insulation
Shirt: UA base layer with short sleeve camo shirt
Jacket: Less cheap camo with waterproof insulation
Socks: Wool
Under 40 degrees
Same as above but add UA pants and long sleeve camo instead of short sleeve.
Survived 20 years of hunting.
Box stand heaters sure do help...
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:39 pm to Farmtiger
Holy hell I just thought about it and I'm over 20 years in to hunting as well. Dang I'm old. That said I started camping and hunting in jeans and cotton flannel. Coldest I ever messed with was -18. I survived but was miserable.
Over the years other activities introduced me to technical clothing. The major advantage is the ability to peel layers as temps change and warmth without the bulk. In a box blind with a heater and a gun, who cares what you wear. Earlier this week in a lock on @ 23 degrees it matters. Can I stay warm in cheaper stuff, yep but it is a whole lot easier to draw a bow when you don't look like the Michelin man.
Over the years other activities introduced me to technical clothing. The major advantage is the ability to peel layers as temps change and warmth without the bulk. In a box blind with a heater and a gun, who cares what you wear. Earlier this week in a lock on @ 23 degrees it matters. Can I stay warm in cheaper stuff, yep but it is a whole lot easier to draw a bow when you don't look like the Michelin man.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 4:53 pm to GAFF
These brands make nice clothes, but it's certainly not necessary for hunting in the south, with the exception of maybe bow hunting where you would want warm clothes without the bulk.
That's what these brands are designed for, to keep you warm without the bulk/weight. They are designed for hunting out west where ounces matter and you need to be able to add/remove layers to regulate your body temperature. They can be advantageous for bow hunters in that they will keep you warm without needing the bulk of the cheaper stuff.
But, outside that, they are a luxury item for most hunters. Buy them if you want to blow some money, you'll certainly be comfortable, but they are not necessary at all.
That's what these brands are designed for, to keep you warm without the bulk/weight. They are designed for hunting out west where ounces matter and you need to be able to add/remove layers to regulate your body temperature. They can be advantageous for bow hunters in that they will keep you warm without needing the bulk of the cheaper stuff.
But, outside that, they are a luxury item for most hunters. Buy them if you want to blow some money, you'll certainly be comfortable, but they are not necessary at all.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:19 pm to stein_burgundy
Man I need obsidian merino pants bad. I have solitude bibs and jacket and furnace base layers and kiln 3/4 zip top as well
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:07 pm to Lucky_Stryke
I have two pairs. Worked great chasing elk in CO. Hiking around in single digits with just those and kiln or wick base layer pants worked great. Never got too hot or cold. When I’d sit, I’d throw the puffy pants over it.
And yes this isn’t necessary for most south hunting but it works great here as well as for any type of hunting I’ll do out west. To each his own.
And yes this isn’t necessary for most south hunting but it works great here as well as for any type of hunting I’ll do out west. To each his own.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 8:46 pm to stein_burgundy
I'm looking to get a set of stratus bibs and jacket, but I have a connection to get them near cost. Still debating though.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:06 pm to CarRamrod
quote:$20?
but I have a connection to get them near cost
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:01 pm to lsupride87
I can get the bibs for 215.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:36 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
In south Louisiana we might break ice 10 days a hunting season
Your pamphlet cover 3 seasons or what?
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:38 pm to GAFF
Sitka way too hot for a subtropical climate like La.
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