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re: I'm seeing that the Trout limits were passed today.(updated with link)
Posted on 10/8/22 at 1:33 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 10/8/22 at 1:33 am to TutHillTiger
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Mississippi science has always supported the 14 inch size limit
Comparing Louisiana to Mississippi/Texas/Alabama/Florida is foolish at best. Their habitat vs ours are two entirely different things.
What happens when populations ballon and you start to get stunted fish due to lack of forage?
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:07 am to TJG210
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Except that fact that the fishery can only support a finite amount of fish. What happens when you have a larger population competing for a shrinking amount of forage?
Now this is a hilarious take. Never thought I’d see an argument against the regulations saying that it will result in too many fish. I’ll take my chances with that result
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Most of y’all know about 1/2 of what you think you do.
I’ve spoken to well respected people in the fishing industry who support the restrictions. From guides, to people in the commercial fishing industry, anglers, to biologists who are all for it.
I can say with confidence that no one knows for sure how this will play out. It may have no positive impact and we will just be left with more rules. But to say all the throw backs are going to die, it will result in more kept females which will hurt the spawning biomass, or that it will end up producing too many fish is just hilariously wrong.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:10 am to maisweh
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Go see big lake and how much it didn't help them. Ask the guides.
What if Big Lake would be infinitely worse without the restrictions? How can you associate the fish population decline with the restrictions? Not being sarcastic here I am genuinely asking.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:02 am to LEASTBAY
13.5in limit is so gay. 15 is still a lot of trout to be able to keep though
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:19 am to hall59tiger
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Now this is a hilarious take. Never thought I’d see an argument against the regulations saying that it will result in too many fish.
So are you telling me that there is an unlimited amount of forage? Any change on one thing will lead to an effect on another…..that’s just common sense. If you have 10 cows in a pen and 5 bales of hay is enough to sustain them, what happens when you add 5 more cows to the pen?
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From guides, to people in the commercial fishing industry, anglers, to biologists who are all for it.
I’ve spoken with guides as well that say it’s bullshite. You’re probably talking to the ones who want a shorter day and less gas to burn. As far as people in the industry, maybe, but I also know there are a lot of folks out there on social media who enjoy the smell of their own farts and will knight on any position that will give them brownie points from their adoring followers.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:25 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:41 am to TJG210
Don Dubuc was saying people need to learn how to handle all the throwbacks better. Good luck with that approach. The average bait fisherman will rip that treble out, toss the undersize trout back in and the porpoise will help himself to an easy meal. I don't know what the answer is but 13.5 isn't it. For some reason that Seinfeld episode with George comes to mind.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:42 am to TJG210
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So are you telling me that there is an unlimited amount of forage?
No, obviously not. There is plenty enough to support more trout. If we are just going off of anecdotal evidence then I’ve seen more bait than ever in bievenue, hopedale, Biloxi marsh, and lake Pontchartrain. High rivers have helped us there.
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I’ve spoken with guides as well that say it’s bull shite. You’re probably talking to the ones who want a shorter day and less gas to burn.
I could easily say you are speaking to the guides who are now afraid they have to get clients on trout bigger than 11.75”. It’s definitely gonna hurt the ones who can only get on school trout with live shrimp.
In all honesty, guides probably aren’t the best people to ask because they are often more worried about money than the fishery. For what it’s worth, the guides I’ve talked to are fly fishing guides who chase trout for fun.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 9:23 am to iron banks
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The average bait fisherman will rip that treble out,
Maybe they could have said no live bait can be used for specks. That would have definitely lowered the catch for some. What kind of sorry fisherman uses bait anyways?
I use treble hooks on my top waters. Very few of those specks are throwbacks.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:36 pm to keakar
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he said 90% survival and you are saying 82.5% survival, so he said more fish survive then you are saying survive
One things for sure, the survival rate is 0% if you catch, filet, dust in corn meal and fry them.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:45 pm to Lone Wolf McQuade
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Maybe they could have said no live bait can be used for specks. That would have definitely lowered the catch for some. What kind of sorry fisherman uses bait anyways?
The 13.5 inch change is gonna put a big damper on many of the east side guides that catch limits of 12.00001 inch trout. No live bait on top of that would reduce catch by 95%
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:16 pm to Barneyrb
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Where did they put new restrictions on the pogy boats?
These frickers here are the primary culprit for the diminishing trout population.
I know I’ll get downvoted but if they’re changing size limits, they should do a a temporary slot like 15ea 13” and keep keep 1 over 21” or some shite. Trout die so easy. I’ve been in my boat along Elmers in the summer and seen 100 10-11” trout dead floating out on the outgoing tide. Actually I take that back. This state would turn temporary to permanent.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:36 am to Quesadilla Superman
It is my understanding that trout numbers are stable in southwestern La. We should focus on what are the differences between that area and southeastern Louisiana. I am all for building the marsh up with diversions, but I think we need to keep salinity in mind as we do so. Everyone is southeast Louisiana should ask why the Morganza Spillway which is much larger than the Bonnet Carre has not been used when the threat of flooding was present in recent years. Fix the environment, and the trout will rebound. I also read where the WLF maintains that hatcheries would not help; one hatchery in Texas releases millions of speckled trout into Texas waters each year. Texas also has two redfish hatcheries.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 3:28 pm to bearhc
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It is my understanding that trout numbers are stable in southwestern La. We should focus on what are the differences between that area and southeastern Louisiana. I am all for building the marsh up with diversions, but I think we need to keep salinity in mind as we do so. Everyone is southeast Louisiana should ask why the Morganza Spillway which is much larger than the Bonnet Carre has not been used when the threat of flooding was present in recent years. Fix the environment, and the trout will rebound.
Very good point.
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I also read where the WLF maintains that hatcheries would not help; one hatchery in Texas releases millions of speckled trout into Texas waters each year. Texas also has two redfish hatcheries.
That is classic response LWLF. “That wouldn’t help.” Bunch of lazy, ignorant assholes. Louisiana should be kicking arse in regards to hunting & fishing. We were once sportsman’s paradise.
Also, thank God for Texas or Toledo Bend would still have no plan or urgency in getting grass back in the lake after it all got killed off a winter ago. I’ll probably never freshwater fish in Louisiana anymore. I’ll just drive a hair further to Rayburn. That’s actually what we started doing about 6 years ago.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 4:02 pm to Quesadilla Superman
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Also, thank God for Texas or Toledo Bend would still have no plan or urgency in getting grass back in the lake after it all got killed off a winter ago.
What is Texas doing to get grass back in Toledo bend?
It’s been gone way way longer then last year also
Posted on 10/9/22 at 4:04 pm to bearhc
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It is my understanding that trout numbers are stable in southwestern La. We should focus on what are the differences between that area and southeastern Louisiana.
SW LA has a 15 trout limit. If you talk to some of the vocal guides over there, the 15 limit hurt the population. Supposedly there are too many trout there. The same vocal guides say rod and reel fishing has ZERO effect on population. It’s strange and comical
Posted on 10/9/22 at 4:47 pm to Ron Cheramie
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Supposedly there are too many trout there. T
Wouldn’t that result in catches of large numbers of small fish? That doesn’t seem to be the pattern in SW part
Posted on 10/9/22 at 5:29 pm to TJG210
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You evidently didn’t fish this summer or have no idea on where to go.
Never did I say limits weren't to be had, I just noted that there has been a decline over time.
I guess we should wait until draconian measures are needed to be taken like what was done with red snapper instead of being proactive because folks are too worried about keeping 25 12" dinks because apparently 15 14" fish is unfathomable to folks.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:40 pm to LEASTBAY
I left a public comment. Pogey boats need addressing if we're going to be serious about trying to "save" the trout population.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:24 pm to Scrowe
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proactive because folks are too worried about keeping 25 12" dinks because apparently 15 14" fish is unfathomable to folks.
I’ll agree when you can point to ACTUAL evidence of an issue. The studies they’ve been pushing this nonsense off of were half arse at best. If they truly want to do something sensible, why not do it on a basin by basin basis?
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