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re: I'm seeing that the Trout limits were passed today.(updated with link)
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:22 pm to armsdealer
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:22 pm to armsdealer
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But none of that matters, what matters is when you catch a 13.5" fish or bigger it is more likely going to be a female than a male.
How many people are throwing back 14” fish to keep 12” fish? The same amount of 14” fish will be kept for 99% of anglers because most don’t catch 15/person in a trip.
I highly highly doubt the net plus of 14” female trout kept overall will be harmful to the fishery.
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:24 pm to hall59tiger
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How many people are throwing back 14” fish to keep 12” fish?
Exactly. Not to mention, we have other Gulf States to compare against and they aren't having the same problems we do.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:50 pm to maisweh
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Six per trip was the average in the 90s, so 3 per trip today?
Surely this includes people bank/pier fishing too...
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start targeting white trout
White trout population about to get worked. 10" whites fry up better than anything anyway...
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:55 pm to armsdealer
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WHO gives a frick if it spawned or not? That is a dumb metric to go by. I'd rather take more males than females from the population, and
I was simply stating the likely reasoning. The idea of if they spawned or not is to increase the population... seems pretty straight forward.
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raising the limit to 13.5 we will be taking a large amount of females with very few males.
If the limit were still 12", would people be throwing back 13.5" trout? No. Also plenty males at 13.5". Could understand if you said 16+.
I don't feel that either was needed, especially not a decreased catch limit AND increased min size.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:58 pm to keakar
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and if you are using treble hooks, then stop now, and learn to fish with regular hooks. treble hooks on baits will kill the fish you need to release
Are you suggesting we swap hooks on our hard baits?
Posted on 10/6/22 at 9:15 pm to bigbuckdj
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Are you suggesting we swap hooks on our hard baits?
I do. I put single inline hooks on mine.
It's not just the fish that it protects, there's also way less chance of seriously hooking myself.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 10:27 pm to speckledawg
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White trout population about to get worked. 10" whites fry up better than anything anyway...
It's the virtue signallers on Facebook from Florida and the Northshore complaining about our current limits that got this passed IMO.
Because you know, we all can go fishing on a Wednesday afternoon like they want whenever you want to fry fish.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 10:41 pm to speckledawg
Don’t care about size, but more the 15/ person
Posted on 10/6/22 at 11:29 pm to speckledawg
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Also plenty males at 13.5". Could understand if you said 16+.
Males don't reach the size of 12" until AFTER 3 years or longer
70% of speckled trout are under 3 years of age.
So even if we have all prime condition males that reaches 12" in 3 years that means 70% of males are under 12".
Females grow faster than males, grow larger than males, live longer than males. They reach 12" a full year earlier than males so we are already taking more females than males at 12". Every inch you go up it gets worse. I have had a full two man limit of 15-19" trout last spring that were 100% female. 75% of the fish we keep now are female, it will just get worse at 13.5".
Sure we will still get males, but they will be fewer and fewer the larger we go with size limits.
I personally think we should have slot or tag system for trout over 20", make the legal size 11", I could go either way on a 15 or 25 limit but honestly I think 25 is sustainable. There have been trout EVERYWHERE the past two years and there has bene more pressure on them than ever. The saltier water is bringing them back to their old places.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:11 am to armsdealer
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There have been trout EVERYWHERE the past two years and there has bene more pressure on them than ever
WLF says you're wrong with their gill nets they put in two places when they open the spillway and let all that fresh water out
Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:46 am to armsdealer
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I have had a full two man limit of 15-19" trout last spring that were 100% female. 75% of the fish we keep now are female, it will just get worse at 13.5".
In your scenario, under the new regulations, you would have brought home fewer female fish.
You gotta think that probably 90% (I made this statistic up) of people are not catching 15 fish/per person/per trip.
So let’s say joe blow usually goes out and catches 15 fish with 5 being over 14” and 10 being between 12”-14”. Under the new regulations the only difference is the amount of fish he brought home. No one is throwing away 14” plus fish to keep the 12” fish.
I actually agree with what you said about maybe just having a slot size. I would love to see a 12-18” slot size with 1 fish over 18”. I’m not saying that’s what is best for the fishery but I would prefer to not have to travel to texas to catch bigger trout. Maybe that would help and maybe not
I also wouldn’t mind if they dropped to creel to 10 fish but that’s just my personal opinion and we shouldn’t base the fishing regulations on one person’s opinion.
I hope whatever they end up doing benefits the fishery. Maybe not but I’m not so sure your point about it resulting in substantially more female fish kept is valid. Your point about mortality for released fish was wrong.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:53 am to TJG210
quote:Hilarious. When people here wanted to lower the limit based upon anecdotal evidence, the board screamed science. I love this place.
What evidence does the ldwf have? My anecdotal evidence is just as good as the research those goobers do.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:18 am to AlxTgr
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This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 7:20 am
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:26 am to AlxTgr
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When people here wanted to lower the limit based upon anecdotal evidence, the board screamed science. I love this place.
The “science” that the LDWF is waving around is shaky at best with poor methodology. Anyone with half brain knows that in years with high rivers/freezes the previous yr the speckled trout population won’t be as large. In addition, if idiots are seining for fish in areas inundated with fresh water, they shouldn’t expect to catch many trout. Since you didn’t dispute that I assume you agree that the “studies” were done in a Mickey Mouse fashion.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 8:15 am to TJG210
Absolutely. I’ve said it here before but I’ve inquired biologists at the ramp who were running hull nets. They were dismayed to only have caught 2-3 specks in their gill net within a mile of the launch. I was thinking: no sht, salinity is at 0.5ppt and the water is dirty as hell.
Has anyone brought up the removal of many shallow water rigs offshore?
Has anyone brought up the removal of many shallow water rigs offshore?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 10:27 am to hall59tiger
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Curious to see what the mortality rate is gonna do with all these undersized fish that are about to be released everywhere
Mortality rate on released trout is less than 10%. If you didn’t gill hook the thing it’s surviving. That’s what the science says
that's if they are released into the water. I saw a boat next to me a couple of years ago with about half of their 11 inchers flopping on the deck until the bite slowed.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:20 am to ultralite
It’s the same brain dead “scientific” process the Feds were using when checking the red snapper stocks. Damn, no red snapper at all in complete open water, wtf is going on here.
The virtue signaling and “holier than thou” attitude that I see from some on social media crack me up. Some from Texas are especially bad. I really could give two shits what anyone else chooses to do when they’re on the water, as long as they’re following the laws. If you want to throw everything back or throw big ones back, more power to you.
The virtue signaling and “holier than thou” attitude that I see from some on social media crack me up. Some from Texas are especially bad. I really could give two shits what anyone else chooses to do when they’re on the water, as long as they’re following the laws. If you want to throw everything back or throw big ones back, more power to you.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:51 am to TJG210
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The “science” that the LDWF is waving around is shaky at best with poor methodology
interesting.
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Anyone with half brain knows that in years with high rivers/freezes the previous yr the speckled trout population won’t be as large.
pointed out in the assessment that's publicly available on their website.
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In addition, if idiots are seining for fish in areas inundated with fresh water, they shouldn’t expect to catch many trout
please explain how standardized independent fisheries surveys are supposed to work
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 11:52 am
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:41 pm to armsdealer
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I have had a full two man limit of 15-19" trout last spring that were 100% female. 75% of the fish we keep now are female, it will just get worse at 13.5".
You are completely missing the point. At 13.5 (should be 14"), those females will have spawned at least TWICE, some 3 times, furthering the population.
The science says only about 75% of the 12" trout spawn ONCE.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:25 pm to TopWaterTiger
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You are completely missing the point. At 13.5 (should be 14"), those females will have spawned at least TWICE, some 3 times, furthering the population.
This is correct and what people are not realizing. The vast majority of fish are between 1-12”. By increasing the size limit to 13.5 you are giving the largest percentage of the biomass a chance to reproduce multiple times.
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