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Idaho Fish and Game commissioner resigns amid backlash over African hunting picture
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:52 am
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:52 am
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Not really sure how I feel about this one.
First I have no problem with hunting (duh). But on the flip side, I have somewhat of a moral dilemma with regards to trophy hunting in Africa. I've heard the arguments on both sides, but I'm not sure if it's something that I would do. (I think I'd spend my outdoor dollars elsewhere.)
Not really sure how I feel about this one.
First I have no problem with hunting (duh). But on the flip side, I have somewhat of a moral dilemma with regards to trophy hunting in Africa. I've heard the arguments on both sides, but I'm not sure if it's something that I would do. (I think I'd spend my outdoor dollars elsewhere.)
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:55 am to Lonnie Utah
I have no desire to kill a monkey.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:58 am to Lonnie Utah
Even though nothing he did was illegal, the baboon picture was done in bad taste. As a public official/employee, he had to know that would bite him in the butt to show a picture like that.
The hunting of primates is one of those things that doesn't sit well with many people either. I think it was Steve Rinella who mentioned in one of his shows how he was uncomfortable with primate hunting.
The hunting of primates is one of those things that doesn't sit well with many people either. I think it was Steve Rinella who mentioned in one of his shows how he was uncomfortable with primate hunting.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:00 am to Lonnie Utah
The picture:
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:01 am to Lonnie Utah
I have no issue with hunters IF they're going to eat what they kill.....I have an issue with trophy hunters.
Glad this guy had to resign.
Glad this guy had to resign.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:02 am to Lonnie Utah
If it can't feed people or doesn't eat people I don't understand killing it.
Giraffes I do not get. Honest questions. Do any people eat giraffe? Do the locals eat the meat afterward? Are giraffe populations out of control?
Baboons are assholes. I can see shooting one if it were attacking me. Same can be said of any animal. But hunting baboons? And shooting a baby ANYTHING is a bad look.
Giraffes I do not get. Honest questions. Do any people eat giraffe? Do the locals eat the meat afterward? Are giraffe populations out of control?
Baboons are assholes. I can see shooting one if it were attacking me. Same can be said of any animal. But hunting baboons? And shooting a baby ANYTHING is a bad look.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:04 am to Lonnie Utah
“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching- even when doing the wrong thing is legal.” - Aldo Leopold
Even though it's legal, he should know better to be going around bragging about killing a family of Baboons. I would want my Fish and Game Commissioner to be better than that
Even though it's legal, he should know better to be going around bragging about killing a family of Baboons. I would want my Fish and Game Commissioner to be better than that
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:06 am to Wtodd
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I have no issue with hunters IF they're going to eat what they kill.....I have an issue with trophy hunters.
This. I don't care what you're killing as long as it gets eaten.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:14 am to Wtodd
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I have no issue with hunters IF they're going to eat what they kill.....I have an issue with trophy hunters.
I have given up big game and trophy hunting but it is a valuable way to protect animals and habitat. The money that the big game hunters spend in Africa go to the people living with the animals and to the government. It provides jobs and it gives them an incentive to not poach.
With all that being said, a public figure should know better than to take and post a picture like that...
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:28 am to mylsuhat
I think two things are of note here. (Good quote Hat)
1. He should have known that these pictures would go public given he sent the email to 100 or more, BUT, they were sent in a private (not really any such thing) email and not posted publicly.
Though he might have expected some confidentiality he should have known better.
2. As someone who has killed more than a few coyotes, beavers, nutria, armadillos, hogs and other nuisance critters and varmints; I can tell you that its not practical or reasonable to expect or demand that every animal killed be eaten. That doesn't mean they aren't to be dispatched cleanly and treated respectfully, but eating isn't the only legitimate reason to kill an animal.
Conclusion: From what I understand, baboons can be a huge nuisance and perhaps a threat. I have no problem with him knocking them off if so. Posing with them as a family and sharing them was a bad idea, especially for primates.
He should have known better.
1. He should have known that these pictures would go public given he sent the email to 100 or more, BUT, they were sent in a private (not really any such thing) email and not posted publicly.
Though he might have expected some confidentiality he should have known better.
2. As someone who has killed more than a few coyotes, beavers, nutria, armadillos, hogs and other nuisance critters and varmints; I can tell you that its not practical or reasonable to expect or demand that every animal killed be eaten. That doesn't mean they aren't to be dispatched cleanly and treated respectfully, but eating isn't the only legitimate reason to kill an animal.
Conclusion: From what I understand, baboons can be a huge nuisance and perhaps a threat. I have no problem with him knocking them off if so. Posing with them as a family and sharing them was a bad idea, especially for primates.
He should have known better.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:51 am to Huntinguy
This guy gets it.
quote:
I think two things are of note here. (Good quote Hat)
1. He should have known that these pictures would go public given he sent the email to 100 or more, BUT, they were sent in a private (not really any such thing) email and not posted publicly.
Though he might have expected some confidentiality he should have known better.
2. As someone who has killed more than a few coyotes, beavers, nutria, armadillos, hogs and other nuisance critters and varmints; I can tell you that its not practical or reasonable to expect or demand that every animal killed be eaten. That doesn't mean they aren't to be dispatched cleanly and treated respectfully, but eating isn't the only legitimate reason to kill an animal.
Conclusion: From what I understand, baboons can be a huge nuisance and perhaps a threat. I have no problem with him knocking them off if so. Posing with them as a family and sharing them was a bad idea, especially for primates.
He should have known better.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:00 am to Stexas
Primate hunting is kinda border line sketchy with me. Only under circumstances where aggressive behavior or an attack is it warranted.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:04 am to Huntinguy
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Conclusion: From what I understand, baboons can be a huge nuisance and perhaps a threat. I have no problem with him knocking them off if so. Posing with them as a family and sharing them was a bad idea, especially for primates.
I have no problem with killing nuisance or invasive animals but the guy bragged in the email about about killing baboons because there was no trophy fee on them. Conservation hunt or dangerous animal is one thing, but he just wanted to kill for the sake of killing. That kind of attitude gives us all a bad name.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:04 am to Boat Motor Bandit
People are congratulated for shooting one and jailed for shooting the other
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Like a poster above mentioned, it's weird to us because it's foreign to us. I don't necessarily want to do it but won't crucify someone for it.
The pic... different story
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Like a poster above mentioned, it's weird to us because it's foreign to us. I don't necessarily want to do it but won't crucify someone for it.
The pic... different story
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:09 am to Lonnie Utah
Baboons are literally stealing babies from their homes in some areas of Southern Africa. They carry diseases and are nusisance animals. I don’t have a problem with people shooting them. They’re smart with keen senses so from what I’ve read, they’re a blast to stalk and kill. Would I ever do it? Probably not, but it’s not because i would feel bad about it.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:09 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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...he just wanted to kill for the sake of killing. That kind of attitude gives us all a bad name.
If that's true, I totally agree.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:14 am to mylsuhat
I've always been taught to eat what you kill or don't kill it.
I have a buddy they killed several antelope type critters in Africa one year. All the meat went to the village they stayed in. He said most of the giraffes and elephants etc that are killed are either killing each other or people. It's a way for the refuge to make money for conservation.
I have a buddy they killed several antelope type critters in Africa one year. All the meat went to the village they stayed in. He said most of the giraffes and elephants etc that are killed are either killing each other or people. It's a way for the refuge to make money for conservation.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:16 am to Huntinguy
Is this a first you cook the rice thread?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:20 am to Rize
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I have no desire to kill a monkey.
What if it's inside a fence
I know you're not condemning the man for hunting a monkey. I read it as you don't have the desire to fly to Africa and pay a ton of cash to kill some monkeys rather than condemning the practice.
What if we had monkey in our trees instead of raccoons? Better yet, what if a bunch of rich African people liked to pay money to come to your property and shoot the shite out of problem raccoons? Do you think a bunch of Africans would get on Facebook and saying " I have no desire to shoot trash pandas?"
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:30 am to Huntinguy
quote:
1. He should have known that these pictures would go public given he sent the email to 100 or more, BUT, they were sent in a private (not really any such thing) email and not posted publicly.
Though he might have expected some confidentiality he should have known better.
2. As someone who has killed more than a few coyotes, beavers, nutria, armadillos, hogs and other nuisance critters and varmints; I can tell you that its not practical or reasonable to expect or demand that every animal killed be eaten. That doesn't mean they aren't to be dispatched cleanly and treated respectfully, but eating isn't the only legitimate reason to kill an animal.
Conclusion: From what I understand, baboons can be a huge nuisance and perhaps a threat. I have no problem with him knocking them off if so. Posing with them as a family and sharing them was a bad idea, especially for primates.
He should have known better.
excellent post
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