re: Home defense shotgun

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, and while birdshot won’t go through a bunch of walls, it makes a terrible threat stopper.

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12GA #8 birdshot unless you are lucky enough to strike a stud will fully penetrate two typical interior home walls, and partially penetrate a third, there are plenty of Youtube videos demonstrating this.

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12GA #8 birdshot unless you are lucky enough to strike a stud will fully penetrate two typical interior home walls, and partially penetrate a third, there are plenty of Youtube videos demonstrating this.

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Not only this, but my whole point of preferring BBs is let's say your kids are in the next room over. I'll take birdshot over an AR EVERYDAY.

I understand there are benefits to both. But I'd much rather shoot birdshot around my house then have a 55 grain AR or a 100 grain 9mm or bigger flying around.

There's a huge difference between penetration and ability to kill too. I'd rather a few BBs hit my 2.5 year old daughter than a 55 grain AR bullet.

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Some 20 year old punk breaks into your house high on meth, I don't think that's a very good reason to kill them.

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You going to sit down and have a conversation with him about why he is high on meth and breaking into your house? How would you know he is only there to steal from you? I get that you're saying that the penalty for stealing shouldn't be death, but breaking into someone's home while they are there is towards the top of my list for killing someone

It’s always important to identify your threat to make sure it truly is a threat (always have a flashlight!) but I agree with the previous poster - you have no idea the intentions of an intruder. If he’s just there to steal shite but is dressed like he’s ready for battle, why should I assume a best case scenario? I’m not saying shoot on site but someone taking the giant risk of invading your personal space is on the intruder’s shoulders, not the home defender.

Sheetrock isnt much different than shooting through cardboard. It isnt stopping much of anything.

another vote for the 870. been used for decades. simple to operate. for home defense and less kick consider the 20 gauge or the .410. I have a 12 ga and use low recoil 00 buckshot.

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We're talking about someone breaking into my home while me and my family are there, not an interaction with some random on the street. I don't like the odds of "something like 90%" (odds I suspect you made up) of all break ins run away when someone is home. I'm not taking a 1/10 chance with some person who has broken into my home. As for the 100x more likely, I still don't like the 1/100 chance it's not some poor kid from the trailer park. Just the fact that someone has broken into your home shows they have little regard for you and your family, so who's to say they wouldn't mind harming you as well if they thought it would help them escape?

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I'm saying its not combat, its not a police shoot out. You don't need to plan on killing someone. Its also not a conceal carry where if you pull it you are likely protecting your life. I understand planning for worst case scenarios too.

I'm saying the average event that requires someone to pull out their home defense weapon, is something extremely mild like a drunk knocking on your door instead of his friends 2 doors down or some 17 year old. I'm saying that if you want to plan to kill someone that's fine, but statistically you are a hell of a lot more likely to pull your gun and not need to kill the person. So planning a gun to kill someone, is planning for the wrong event.

ETA: Some statistics:
"What researchers found was that violence was used on average in seven percent (266,560) of the 3.7 million burglaries each year. Of those 266,560 violent burglaries, offenders had a firearm just 12 percent of the time, and victims knew their attackers beforehand 65 percent of the time."
LINK

So 0.86% of burglaries are with a firearm.

Thoughts on a Shockwave with a brace attached?

Hey Ace.... when your AVA pals getting home? Should be soon. Hope they stayed safe.