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re: Hammered or Hammerless for CCW?
Posted on 4/6/13 at 12:58 pm to shutterspeed
Posted on 4/6/13 at 12:58 pm to shutterspeed
I bought a LEM (no hammer, no safety, no decocker) that I plan on carrying when I get more comfortable with it.
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Posted on 4/6/13 at 1:32 pm to shutterspeed
quote:Really depends on the situation. For inside waist band carry, I use guns that are hammered as well as hammerless. I really like to carry the 1911 and when I do, it's carried cocked and locked. OTOH, I also carry a Kahr CW45; it's a DAO gun w/o an external hammer.
Do you have a personal preference?
When it comes to pocket carry, I only carry hammerless, either a DAO only (Kel-Tec P3-AT) or a DAO revolver w/ no external hammer.
Posted on 4/6/13 at 2:41 pm to LSUlefty
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Seriously though, hope I never have to shoot another human being
It's not all that bad. I'm sure it's easier if they aren't a helpless victim but even so it didn't bother me much...
Posted on 4/6/13 at 3:00 pm to RBWilliams8
Posted on 4/6/13 at 3:09 pm to KingRanch
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Posted on 4/6/13 at 3:11 pm to KingRanch
In a revolver you want a hammerless for one reason, if you have the hammer cocked and you create a hair trigger situation it may look bad in court should you happen to shoot someone. One of my instructors told me this years ago, if you have a double action revolver never cock it and create a hair trigger that it will look bad in court because the trigger can set off easier, for some reason cycling the entire action was recommended,
I carry my 1911 in C1.
I carry my 1911 in C1.
Posted on 4/6/13 at 4:44 pm to shutterspeed
Hammerless
Posted on 4/6/13 at 5:24 pm to ninthward
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In a revolver you want a hammerless for one reason, if you have the hammer cocked and you create a hair trigger situation it may look bad in court should you happen to shoot someone.
So why not just leave the hammer in DA?
Posted on 4/6/13 at 5:27 pm to shutterspeed
Hammerless in all situations. A safety is just one more thing to have to mess with.
In a high stress situation it is just one more thing that could go wrong. I want to be able to point and shoot.
In a high stress situation it is just one more thing that could go wrong. I want to be able to point and shoot.
Posted on 4/6/13 at 5:32 pm to ninthward
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In a revolver you want a hammerless for one reason, if you have the hammer cocked and you create a hair trigger situation it may look bad in court should you happen to shoot someone. One of my instructors told me this years ago, if you have a double action revolver never cock it and create a hair trigger that it will look bad in court
good luck to them proving whether you fired it SA or DA.
Posted on 4/6/13 at 6:44 pm to Dooshay
Well I dont want to be caught lying to anyone if I am involved in a shooting, sounds like a great way to get charged with murder. lol
Posted on 4/6/13 at 7:00 pm to Dooshay
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good luck to them proving whether you fired it SA or DA.
That's true. OTOH, if your gun is DAO, there'll be no question whether the revolver was shot DA or SA. One approach the plaintiff/prosecuting attorney may take is to claim you were shooting SA and the trigger was so light it lead to you negligently discharging your gun; they may claim you didn't really intend to shoot, but the combination of the light trigger, fear, adrenaline, insufficient training, etc caused your gun to "go off." A DAO trigger simplifies your defense.
Posted on 4/6/13 at 7:51 pm to GaryMyMan
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What's the difference in this and just leaving the safety off and carrying uncocked? I mean its the flick of a thumb either way, right?
If you're carrying a 1911, it's a single-action-only gun, meaning the hammer must be back for every shot, hence, cocked and locked. It means a round is chambered, the safety is on, and the hammer is back, so it's still a flick of the thumb. This is considered condition 1.
Some other guns may have thumb safeties and be DA/SA, so you could carry them with the hammer down.
My carry guns are both carried condition 0, meaning full magazine, chambered round, no safety. The trigger pull is longer on my CM9 and SR9c than a 1911 so it doesn't bother me one bit.
Posted on 4/6/13 at 8:43 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I get your point.
If they did, the only witness they can call is you and if you contradict it, that's reasonable doubt.
If it's for a civil suit, you'll be fricked sideways either way.
If they did, the only witness they can call is you and if you contradict it, that's reasonable doubt.
If it's for a civil suit, you'll be fricked sideways either way.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 6:53 am to Dooshay
Bought my wife an LCR for Christmas to carry. I like hammerless for CCF for women (she's carrying it in a purse with a zippered compartment specifically designed for CCF). Less stuff to get snagged, plus simpler operation if she ever has to use it in the most traumatic circumstance she's gonna face in her life.
P.S. Just got a couple speed loaders for her. Having a buddy start dry drills for reloading with her this week. After trying to teach her to drive a stick shift back when we were dating, there is 0% me trying to teach her would go well.
P.S. Just got a couple speed loaders for her. Having a buddy start dry drills for reloading with her this week. After trying to teach her to drive a stick shift back when we were dating, there is 0% me trying to teach her would go well.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 8:58 am to shutterspeed
Shrouded or bobbed hammers if its strictly a ccw.
Cocking a revolver first in a self defense situation gives the lawyers some dirt on you. You're better off not even having the option.
Cocking a revolver first in a self defense situation gives the lawyers some dirt on you. You're better off not even having the option.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 9:05 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Cocking a revolver first in a self defense situation gives the lawyers some dirt on you. You're better off not even having the option.
I saw this posted elsewhere, how would they know if you shite it single or double?
Posted on 4/7/13 at 10:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Cocking a revolver first in a self defense situation gives the lawyers some dirt on you. You're better off not even having the option.
If you meant to shoot someone, though, then what does it matter if you cocked the hammer first?
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:00 pm to shutterspeed
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If you meant to shoot someone, though, then what does it matter if you cocked the hammer first?
I don't think it matters at all. I can believe people argue that it matters that you cocked the hammer.
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