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re: GOA v NFA Lawsuit Thread: GOA has submitted their lawsuit in the 5th District Court of TX
Posted on 7/2/25 at 7:57 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 7/2/25 at 7:57 am to finchmeister08
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:22 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:31 am to finchmeister08
So we still have to jump through hoops to get a suppressor? It will just be 200 dollars cheaper? Is that right?
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:35 am to CootKilla
process is the same. it's just a $0 tax instead of $200.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 10:09 am to finchmeister08
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:36 pm to The Nino
Posted on 7/3/25 at 7:46 am to finchmeister08
So is it dead?
Posted on 7/3/25 at 8:05 am to kengel2
they voted on whether they would vote on it today. 
i'm 100% positive that it will pass and Trump will sign it tomorrow with the $0 tax on suppressors and short barreled firearms.
expect GOA and NAGR to file a lawsuit once the bill is enacted.
it's basically what Trump did to the Obamacare mandate penalty in his first term. he made the penalty $0. well, what's the point of the penalty if it's $0? remove the penalty all together.
the NFA registry is proof that the tax was paid. what's the point of the registration if the tax is $0? remove the registration requirements.
i'm 100% positive that it will pass and Trump will sign it tomorrow with the $0 tax on suppressors and short barreled firearms.
expect GOA and NAGR to file a lawsuit once the bill is enacted.
it's basically what Trump did to the Obamacare mandate penalty in his first term. he made the penalty $0. well, what's the point of the penalty if it's $0? remove the penalty all together.
the NFA registry is proof that the tax was paid. what's the point of the registration if the tax is $0? remove the registration requirements.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:03 am to finchmeister08
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they voted on whether they would vote on it today.
clown show
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:15 am to finchmeister08
I don't have a ton of hope that works. Guns are scary and politicians are stupid.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:19 am to Jcorye1
apparently, GOA will be announcing the lawsuit soon.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 10:16 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 7/3/25 at 10:57 am to finchmeister08
Apparently the only reason the NFA was even deemed constitutional to begin with in the 1930s was because the SCOTUS ruled 8-1 that it was a tax, and therefore constitutional instead of a direct violation of the 2A, which it was.
But now, an unelected staffer who could have been fired/ignored, said it was NOT a tax, which directly contradicted the SCOTUS ruling.
Add to that, the Senate then took the weasle way out and just eliminated the tax fee, and here we are.
We have a law that was only legal because it was ruled a tax, and now the tax amount is zero, therefore it's no longer a tax, and thus the law is unconstitutional.
This is a total and complete fuk up shite show that will cost the Republicans in the mid terms, and will cost the GOA millions in a multi-year lawsuit. And it all could have been avoided if the Republicans weren't feckless, spineless felines.
But now, an unelected staffer who could have been fired/ignored, said it was NOT a tax, which directly contradicted the SCOTUS ruling.
Add to that, the Senate then took the weasle way out and just eliminated the tax fee, and here we are.
We have a law that was only legal because it was ruled a tax, and now the tax amount is zero, therefore it's no longer a tax, and thus the law is unconstitutional.
This is a total and complete fuk up shite show that will cost the Republicans in the mid terms, and will cost the GOA millions in a multi-year lawsuit. And it all could have been avoided if the Republicans weren't feckless, spineless felines.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 11:36 am to Jack Ruby
The whole thing is a mess. Ultimately there is almost zero doubt that the NFA is unconstitutional on 2A grounds based on the Bruen ruling. The problem is that SCOTUS won't grant cert to any of these challenges (or other hardware challenges like state level "assault weapons" bans).
While SCOTUS ruled the NFA was a valid exercise of Congressional taxing authority when challenged on that ground, it didn't attempt to infer Congressional intent beyond that (which clearly was primarily regulatory).
I actually think the parliamentarian's decision was correct in the context of the Byrd Rule, because the NFA is NOT primarily a tax, it's primarily a regulatory scheme. That's why gun owners are up in arms about the tax being reduced to $0 while the registry requirements remain.
That's what is so frustrating. Democrats now openly admit the NFA is about regulatory power, which should mean a slam dunk win in the context of a 2A challenge on the Bruen standard. They're clearly nervous about these types of challenges, too, which is why Senator Murphy submitted an amendment to modify the tax to $1 rather than $0.
Congress, gun rights orgs, and gun owners have gotten the ball to the edge of the cup. All SCOTUS has to do is tap it in, but they seem to be avoiding 2A cases like the plague since Bruen.
While SCOTUS ruled the NFA was a valid exercise of Congressional taxing authority when challenged on that ground, it didn't attempt to infer Congressional intent beyond that (which clearly was primarily regulatory).
I actually think the parliamentarian's decision was correct in the context of the Byrd Rule, because the NFA is NOT primarily a tax, it's primarily a regulatory scheme. That's why gun owners are up in arms about the tax being reduced to $0 while the registry requirements remain.
That's what is so frustrating. Democrats now openly admit the NFA is about regulatory power, which should mean a slam dunk win in the context of a 2A challenge on the Bruen standard. They're clearly nervous about these types of challenges, too, which is why Senator Murphy submitted an amendment to modify the tax to $1 rather than $0.
Congress, gun rights orgs, and gun owners have gotten the ball to the edge of the cup. All SCOTUS has to do is tap it in, but they seem to be avoiding 2A cases like the plague since Bruen.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 12:54 pm to Jack Ruby
The process will lead to freedom. I wouldn’t get so up in arms about it.
Take the victory, there is a path forward, which bypasses Congress, to remove it. This path protects republican held purple districts.
Should they have removed it, yes. However, this also sets the precedent when the democrats do eventually take all three again, they won’t be able to raise the $200 or $0 to $10,000 without supermajorities because the GOA’s lawsuit will have already had the suppressors and shorts removed.
Take the victory, there is a path forward, which bypasses Congress, to remove it. This path protects republican held purple districts.
Should they have removed it, yes. However, this also sets the precedent when the democrats do eventually take all three again, they won’t be able to raise the $200 or $0 to $10,000 without supermajorities because the GOA’s lawsuit will have already had the suppressors and shorts removed.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:34 pm to Jack Ruby
Yep all those frickers had to do was take silencers out of the NFA. So simple, even a congressman could do it. Or so we thought.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:36 pm to biglego
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:39 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 7/3/25 at 2:27 pm to Jack Ruby
quote:
could have been avoided if the Republicans weren't feckless, spineless felines.
This is where I envy the far left democrat voter. At least the far left democrat voter knows their representation will go full bore 100% lockstep apeshit to try to get what they want and prevent the other side from getting what they want.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 2:30 pm to finchmeister08
cool
Now sign it and tell me the moment I can order a suppressor without the extra $200
Now sign it and tell me the moment I can order a suppressor without the extra $200
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