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re: Fishing/boating on someone else’s property to remain illegal
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:32 pm to dwr353
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:32 pm to dwr353
Rules for water, land, and air all need to be different.
I'm glad the FAA controls the air, no telling what you fricking nutjobs with your centuries old map would want to do with it.
I'm glad the FAA controls the air, no telling what you fricking nutjobs with your centuries old map would want to do with it.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:53 pm to Bedhog
quote:Like what?
it's blowing my mind seeing all of these attempted comparisons to try to authenticate some of y'alls opinions on this matter.
quote:Navigable has no meaning here without "...in 1812".
We've been very clear, no beating around the bush.
We want to fish public accessible, navigable waterways.
What you want is to fish other people's property. It is no different from me wanting to hunt someone's private woods. I can get there by 4 wheeler. You can get there by boat.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:56 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
"Are you serious? You do realize that deer are considered public as long as the land isn’t fenced, and yet we aren’t being taxed to hunt them on “our” land, right? "
Technically you are, you have to buy a hunting license and follow the hunting regulations, but I am not talking about hunting that is a totally different concept when compared to fishing access and I am really mostly talking about fishing access of canals, the marsh is a whole other mess.
When I am floating down "your" canal, I am not on your land. I am floating in public water above your land, and I am catching fish that are public. As I said before, dig your canal block it off from the public water by a levee or solid gate and stock it with fish you paid for and I will be in total support of blocking public access.
If you want to compare it to hunting, you do not have to use public resources to have deer, ducks, etc. come onto your land. They are (mostly) land animals and can walk, fly or whatever over to your land. Last time I checked, fish don't normally walk. The only way you are going to get public fish on your land is by a flood or by digging a canal and connecting it to a public waterway where you then allow it fill with public water and fish (without going into freak things like a waterspout full of fish.)
The problem in our state is the law says that I was trespassing on your land and that makes no sense, I was floating in public water above your land.
Technically you are, you have to buy a hunting license and follow the hunting regulations, but I am not talking about hunting that is a totally different concept when compared to fishing access and I am really mostly talking about fishing access of canals, the marsh is a whole other mess.
When I am floating down "your" canal, I am not on your land. I am floating in public water above your land, and I am catching fish that are public. As I said before, dig your canal block it off from the public water by a levee or solid gate and stock it with fish you paid for and I will be in total support of blocking public access.
If you want to compare it to hunting, you do not have to use public resources to have deer, ducks, etc. come onto your land. They are (mostly) land animals and can walk, fly or whatever over to your land. Last time I checked, fish don't normally walk. The only way you are going to get public fish on your land is by a flood or by digging a canal and connecting it to a public waterway where you then allow it fill with public water and fish (without going into freak things like a waterspout full of fish.)
The problem in our state is the law says that I was trespassing on your land and that makes no sense, I was floating in public water above your land.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:03 pm to AlxTgr
You don’t have to dig a canal to get deer onto your property. All you have to do is not put up a fence.
These landowners aren’t stocking their canals with fish or alligators. They are dependent on them coming in from public waterways.
These landowners aren’t stocking their canals with fish or alligators. They are dependent on them coming in from public waterways.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:40 pm to AlxTgr
Alex, they will never understand the basis for your argument. 
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:42 pm to Bedhog
quote:then why are we talking about private canals
We've been very clear, no beating around the bush.
We want to fish public accessible, navigable waterways.
That's it.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:43 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
What you want is to fish other people's property. It is no different from me wanting to hunt someone's private woods. I can get there by 4 wheeler. You can get there by boat.
How many days a year do you spend in the marsh?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:04 pm to HotKoolaid
"then why are we talking about private canals"
Because once you tie it into a tidal / navigable waterway, it also becomes a tidal / navigable waterway.
Because once you tie it into a tidal / navigable waterway, it also becomes a tidal / navigable waterway.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:11 pm to td1
"How many days a year do you spend in the marsh?"
Seriously, 99% of the time I have no way of having any clue if I am on public or private and without gps if I'm fishing in the same spot I fished last year. The landscape changes to much between seasons and years. That is why I said the marsh is a different animal than canals. There may never be a good way to handle the marsh.
Seriously, 99% of the time I have no way of having any clue if I am on public or private and without gps if I'm fishing in the same spot I fished last year. The landscape changes to much between seasons and years. That is why I said the marsh is a different animal than canals. There may never be a good way to handle the marsh.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:13 pm to td1
If you could turn back time like 200 years.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:59 pm to AlxTgr
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What if we put open deer and duck hunting to a vote?
Exactly. The only people who complain don't own land and have to deal with trespassing trash.
There's thousands of acres of public land separated from a public road by 1 mile of my property. We restrict access.
I still have to deal with messed up roads due to trespassers and joy riders.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:04 pm to X123F45
Think what all their wakes do to private canals
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:11 pm to Mr Wonderful
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or even the whole river) doesn’t make it public.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:39 pm to X123F45
Maybe if they change the name to Louisiana Socialist Coalition (instead of sportsmen) they could get some big money donors to help take away those big bad landowners rights?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 7:37 pm to LaTexan
Every chance you guys get, you make it political. You have no idea of the history behind public lands. It’s about being a sportsman. Who gives a flying shite if some guy comes trolling down your canal, tossing his line, hoping to get a bite. Don’t you dare catch one of his fish. He’s been growing them in that canal for the last 20 years. To hell with the 6 year old in the boat enjoying what Louisiana has to offer. Those big bad landowners only care about a dollar. I think we have forgotten where we came from.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:07 pm to lotik
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You have no idea of the history behind public lands. It’s about being a sportsman.
I totally understand, and there are millions of acres of public lands across the U.S. to enjoy. There are also a multitude of acreage that is public in LA when it comes to fishing.
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To hell with the 6 year old in the boat enjoying what Louisiana has to offer
If you're teaching your 6 year old that it isn't fair then that's on you. My parents taught me shite wasn't free in life and I worked hard to get where I am today.
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Those big bad landowners only care about a dollar. I think we have forgotten where we came from.
And that is their 5th amendment right. I own 0 acres of land in LA but I respect the right to have title to property and the right to do with it as you see fit. I'm sorry, but I don't want the government infringing on property rights. If you think it isn't right and you're ok with taking money making fishing/hunting/trapping leases from someone big or small you are a socialist.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:29 pm to AlxTgr
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It is no different from me wanting to hunt someone's private woods. I can get there by 4 wheeler. You can get there by boat.
but does public land move in and out of those woods freely like the tide?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:35 pm to AlxTgr
you'll figure it out eventually
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:18 pm to Mr Wonderful
So if all this “navigable” water is public and should be accessible to any Joe Blow whenever he wants, then how is it that the government can tell Joe Blow when he can boat or fish on a WMA or NWR, what size/type motor he can use, and make certain areas off limits, when those waters are certainly public. Seems to me landowners only want to be afforded the same right to restrict accces, control usage and usage type, and generally manage their property that the government exercises with its own.
But nothing baffles me more than conservative, small government supporters (and i realize I’m stereotyping here, but I know several personally) openly adocating taking private property.
But nothing baffles me more than conservative, small government supporters (and i realize I’m stereotyping here, but I know several personally) openly adocating taking private property.
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