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re: Fishing/boating on someone else’s property to remain illegal
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:23 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:23 pm to AlxTgr
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Like deer, ducks, squirrel etc?
So your argument is land and water should be the same.
What other state in the nation does this? And don't give me the whole bit about people dug more canals here.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:25 pm to Bedhog
quote:I am not making an argument. I am pointing out flaws in other's.
So your argument is land and water should be the same.
quote:Does what? Allow owners of water bottoms to restrict boat access? Florida for sure. Possibly Tx. I cannot remember. But anyway, why does it matter what other states do?
What other state in the nation does this?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:26 pm to Bedhog
Ducks are migratory as well. They don't stay in the same area their entire lives.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:27 pm to lotik
quote:Interesting observation.
They don't stay in the same area their entire lives.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:30 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
I am not making an argument. I am pointing out flaws in other's.
Just doing the same.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:32 pm to AlxTgr
quote:really? I seem to remember a post here regarding some dock owner harassing a fisherman in Florida somewhere and people were pissed.
Does what? Allow owners of water bottoms to restrict boat access? Florida for sure.
quote:
But anyway, why does it matter what other states do?
We should have the same rights other states do with our natural resources.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:33 pm to Bedhog
quote:Sure you can, Canal leads to private lake.
You can't compare tidal navigable waters to a private road or driveway because neither of these can hold public resources (fish)
Driveway leads to private land. Deer (public deer) walk onto private land straight down private drive, the have sex and make lots and lots of deer. Private landowner drives down driveway to private land and shoots deer. Deer that the public can not shoot.
Deer lives matter.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:37 pm to Bedhog
quote:That was public water. Would be like a Toledo Bend dock owner doing it.
really? I seem to remember a post here regarding some dock owner harassing a fisherman in Florida somewhere and people were pissed.
Here's the AG opinion from Florida.
quote:
The use of the term "manmade" in describing canals compels me to state that if the owner of the land underneath the artificially created body of water has never made the water above available to the public, then the owner, in a sense, controls fishing in the body of water by controlling the means of access to it, even for one who has a proper license or permit to take fish and even if the season is lawful for the taking of fish from other water in the area.
Advisory Legal Opinion - AGO 75-167
Number: AGO 75-167
Date: June 9, 1975
Subject: Fishing and traffic in manmade canals
quote:Why?
We should have the same rights other states do with our natural resources.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:40 pm to AlxTgr
How does one make it public? By letting the public fish, then changing their mind and putting up a gate.
Edit:
My interpretation of the Florida AG, if it wasn’t gated from the beginning, it can’t be gated afterwards.
Edit:
My interpretation of the Florida AG, if it wasn’t gated from the beginning, it can’t be gated afterwards.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:51 pm to Mr Wonderful
I've watched this issue closely, and heard a number of the access proponents continuously state they don't dispute the ownership of the banks or water bottoms, but that the waters and fish that swim in them are public, so they must be allowed access. Given this acknowledgement, should I assume they won't anchor, or use push poles when fishing these areas? To do so would be trespassing.
And given their argument, what would prevent someone from duck hunting out of a kayak or boat in these areas, assuming it wasn't anchored?
And given their argument, what would prevent someone from duck hunting out of a kayak or boat in these areas, assuming it wasn't anchored?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:53 pm to Bedhog
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should have the same rights other states do with our natural resources.
Different states have different laws regarding this because the challenges are different. It’s not a one-size fits all.
Let’s call a spade a spade: this isn’t some righteous crusade to restore the people to what was theirs. It’s a blatant power/money grab.
Because you want free stuff.
ETA: At any rate I don’t have the battery charge to continue this debate any further so I’m going to bow out.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:58 pm to Decisions
We want to fish a natural resource.... Nothing is free about fishing.... I will pay for the boat, gear and gas..... We want to fish ..... Stop trying to say it’s a land grab and we want free stuff.....
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:59 pm to Decisions
Excuse us for trying to be Americans.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:06 pm to Wacker
I lied. I’m back for one more hit.
By this reasoning I should be able to drill oil or cut timber or farm on anyone else’s land.
It’s a “natural resource”. I’ll provide my own equipment. You won’t even notice I was there. Swearsies.
You’re not Americans. You’re Commie’s if I ever heard them.
Aaaannnnnddddd on that note of sarcasm NOW I’m out.
quote:
We want to fish a natural resource.... Nothing is free about fishing.... I will pay for the boat, gear and gas..... We want to fish .....
By this reasoning I should be able to drill oil or cut timber or farm on anyone else’s land.
It’s a “natural resource”. I’ll provide my own equipment. You won’t even notice I was there. Swearsies.
quote:
Excuse us for trying to be Americans.
You’re not Americans. You’re Commie’s if I ever heard them.
Aaaannnnnddddd on that note of sarcasm NOW I’m out.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:08 pm to Wacker
quote:I want to hunt...
We want to fish ..... Stop trying to say it’s a land grab and we want free stuff.....
See how that works? And no, we won't stop saying you want free stuff
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:12 pm to Decisions
A Democrat set the framework for all of these public lands. You wouldn’t dare hunt or fish any of these, would you?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:12 pm to Decisions
it's blowing my mind seeing all of these attempted comparisons to try to authenticate some of y'alls opinions on this matter.
We've been very clear, no beating around the bush.
We want to fish public accessible, navigable waterways.
That's it.
We've been very clear, no beating around the bush.
We want to fish public accessible, navigable waterways.
That's it.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:18 pm to Bedhog
Exactly..... we want what we see other states have.... To hear B.A.S.S. and FLW’s stance on Louisiana’s water access laws makes me feel embarrassed.... As a state we are losing out so a select few can have their private Sportsman’s Paradise...... This isn’t the same swamp and marshland I grew up Fishing and I am ashamed it is being gated off so future generations can’t enjoy it like I did as a kid...
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:26 pm to AlxTgr
Thanks for responding to my earlier question.
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