re: EDC one in the chamber or not?

Do I have personal experience with the someone being killed due to not having one in the chamber, possibly but cannot confirm as the person was definitely trying to manipulate the slide. Could have been a malfunction or trying to load a round. However there are cases and videos of this very thing happening.

Multiple video examples

There are plenty more to find with a few simple google searches.

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The real fantasy is the wannabe operators thinking they would be able to outdraw someone who has the drop.

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I think both you and he have valid points here.

We hear about a lot of situations where people have time to draw and likely chamber and fire. Because they're often high profile (guy shooting a mass shooter from distance in a food court, etc.). Now, most of those folks likely were carrying a chambered round, but nonetheless, they feed into the idea of not being immediately confronted with the threat and getting the threat's full attention.

At the same time, in these threads we rarely talk about carrying (chambered or not) and electing not to draw because the situation happened so quickly that rolling the dice on the likely non-murderous intent of the criminal is the better bet at that point. We probably should. And we should probably talk honestly about some people who elect to carry without a round chambered having accepted that risk.

We should also discuss the reality that for most of us a criminal charging you at top speed with a knife and intending to stab you isn't going to be a common fact pattern. It's a very valid way to make the point about timing, but it's probably a lot more meaningful to police (who will encounter crazy people who feel threatened by police and react) and less meaningful to civilians. As an aside, I'm sure it varies, but the most realistic fact pattern in Atlanta is probably walking in a parking lot, etc. when a passing carload of teenagers stops and one of them jumps out and points a gun at you.

My belief is that a chambered round is the smartest method and that if it makes you uneasy you need to reassess everything else about your practices. But at the same time, I'd be lying if I said I haven't opted to carry/store in condition 3 at times once I started having (small) kids. I'm not claiming that's sensible - but the nature of the potential harm was too great even if extremely remote/irrational.

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999999999999999999999999.999999999999999999999% I'm in a low treat environment.

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I have had to pull my gun once in my lifetime. I was at shell station on Acadian in BR next to TJ ribs. This isn’t a bad part of town. I was pumping gas and on my phone with a client trying to get home. I finished pumping and got in my truck. White guy comes out of nowhere stops me from shutting my door and grabs my left arm trying to pull me out of my truck. I threw the phone down which was in my right hand and grabbed my P320 compact out of my waistband holster and stuck it in the guys face. I told him I was going to kill him if he didn’t back off. This happened in all of 5 seconds. I was able to shut my door to my truck and luckily I didn’t have to kill the guy.

My point is you can’t assume you’re in a low threat environment. If people are near you they can be a threat no matter how nice your city is or if you live in the country.

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See, this is my problem with "my finger is the safety" spec ops self defense gun nuts.

Being uncomfortable with a loaded pistol pointing at your wife or child is absofrickinglutely not an "irrational fear."

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You're making up an argument that doesn't exist.

I never said or insulated any of that and when people who don't knew what their talking about resort to this type of BS to redirect the focus then it's not worth arguing over.

Simple point that you may not like is

Training and knowing your weapon elevates most every thing you mentioned in all of you posts as "Not being uncomfortable with" If you're not willing to train and put in the effort, that's ok but you shouldn't carry because you're not prepared and a danger to yourself and others. If you carry a defective weapon that spontaneously discharges then you're the problem, again.

No one who understands weapons could disagree with this.

Anyone who understands how quickly a situation can happen where you need to defend yourself keeps one in the chamber. Most people barely have the coordination understress to draw, aim, and shoot accurately...forget adding the extra step of chambering a round. Carry a Glock 26 in a Black Arch IWB.

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The law says that you have to be in immediate fear for your life and imminent death.

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Carjacking in LA is punishable by death. Your car is an extension of your home. This dude was hoped up on something. He didn’t have a shirt on and probably jacked up on meth. No jury of my peers would convict me.

My wife has Lewis Unglesby‘s firm stored in her phone in case anything ever happens.

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know Lewis and he won’t roll out of bed unless you have $50k in cash up front.

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I know.

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stretching to try and make your point while overlooking valid points to the contrary.

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I think people are aware of the reasoning why they should carry with one in the chamber, and why they may not. I think that the reaction is more against these kinds of statements:

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If you're afraid and do not know your weapon you shouldn't carry it.

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You and your buddy are idiots, and you shouldn’t carry guns.

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If you aren’t comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, then you shouldn’t carry.

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if you don’t practice with live Ammo at least once a quarter, you shouldn’t be carrying

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you shouldn't carry because you're not prepared

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frick all that. I carry when I want and in the condition I want when I do. "shall not be infringed" also applies to internet blowhards telling me what I should and shouldn't do with my firearms.

And for the record…. If you’re scared to carry one in the pipe due to your own “muzzle control” then you need to become more proficient with your firearm. I carry appendix, I carry around my family, in and out of vehicles, to dinner and so on. At no point is my gun pointed at my family or myself, except when I holster it in my belt or knee down when walking. A good holster is key to prevent an accidental discharge. If I don’t pull the trigger, the gun isn’t going off.