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re: EDC one in the chamber or not?
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:43 pm to SouthernInsanity
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:43 pm to SouthernInsanity
Damnit where do you people come from??? Why the hell would I think that? You have to keep all your guns loaded all the time to be used to treating a gun like its loaded?
That's gold medal Olympic gymnastics.
That's gold medal Olympic gymnastics.
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:49 pm to Snipe
So people who are not comfortable pointing a loaded gun at a person should not be carrying at all?
Seriously?
fricking amazing the shite the gun nuts can come up with.
Seriously?
fricking amazing the shite the gun nuts can come up with.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:05 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
In this particular case I believe it happened as presented. Guy was in hurry to leave house. Grabs gun from table but didn't get full grip. Gun slips out of hand and falls on hard floor. Reflexively he bent over to try to catch the gun before it hit the floor. Gun happened to land on floor pointing directly up. Shot himself in the stomach.
Though only way I'd feel comfortable carrying loaded all the time is outside the waist in a hard retention holster.
My kids jump all over me too much to carry a loaded gun appendix in soft holster.
Though only way I'd feel comfortable carrying loaded all the time is outside the waist in a hard retention holster.
My kids jump all over me too much to carry a loaded gun appendix in soft holster.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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So people who are not comfortable pointing a loaded gun at a person should not be carrying at all?
Seriously?
WTF are you talking about?
Maybe I'm missing something but this statement/question is the single most ignorant thing I've seen posted in the internet is at least a decade.
Please tell me you can articulate your position a little clearer. For the love of God, please. ...
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:12 pm to Snipe
From earlier in the thread....
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Me personally, I do not like having a handgun in my pocket with one in the chamber. When you sit down, the gun is pointed straight ahead. Straight at your wife across the dinner table. Straight at the back of the person infront of you in the theater. Straight at your kid when they climb up your leg.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:15 pm to Douglas Quaid
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In this particular case I believe it happened as presented. Guy was in hurry to leave house. Grabs gun from table but didn't get full grip. Gun slips out of hand and falls on hard floor. Reflexively he bent over to try to catch the gun before it hit the floor. Gun happened to land on floor pointing directly up. Shot himself in the stomach.
Though only way I'd feel comfortable carrying loaded all the time is outside the waist in a hard retention holster.
My kids jump all over me too much to carry a loaded gun appendix in soft holster.
Guy should have never been carrying on the first place if this is how he handles his weapon.
#2 what type of weapon did he have? A single action revolver?
There's a LOT missing from that story.
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Though only way I'd feel comfortable carrying loaded all the time is outside the waist in a hard retention holster.
Proper training will fix that.
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My kids jump all over me too much to carry a loaded gun appendix in soft holster.
lol, yea appendix carry is not comfortable for me either, but trust me, your weapon is not made of glass with a hair trigger.
Again train, know your weapon and most of these fears can be alleviated. But you're correct about one thing. If you're afraid and do not know your weapon you shouldn't carry it.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:17 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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From earlier in the thread....
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Me personally, I do not like having a handgun in my pocket with one in the chamber. When you sit down, the gun is pointed straight ahead. Straight at your wife across the dinner table. Straight at the back of the person infront of you in the theater. Straight at your kid when they climb up your leg.
Again, if your know your weapon and train you can alleviate most of these irrational fears.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:34 pm to Snipe
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these irrational fears
See, this is my problem with "my finger is the safety" spec ops self defense gun nuts.
Being uncomfortable with a loaded pistol pointing at your wife or child is absofrickinglutely not an "irrational fear."
Its taking the most inconceivable risk imaginable for no benefit to anybody in that moment.
Yall need to tone down the "no chambered round is worse than carrying a rock" bullshite. It isn't true at all. It doesn't have shite to do with being scared of anything.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:50 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Being uncomfortable with a loaded pistol pointing at your wife or child is absofrickinglutely not an "irrational fear."
Its taking the most inconceivable risk imaginable for no benefit to anybody in that moment.
Yall need to tone down the "no chambered round is worse than carrying a rock" bullshite. It isn't true at all. It doesn't have shite to do with being scared of anything.
Agree. Wayyyy too many cavalier folks walking around condition 0 in daily activities. These same folks usually can't be reasoned with. I hope they never experience an accident or something worse.
Again, far far more accidental discharges occur than that specific scenario where you needed that gun at condition 0 as a civilian carrying concealed. Law enforcement is a different story.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:54 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I don't get the "well, you just have to train" argument. I'm not sure how you train yourself to be comfortable pointing a loaded weapon at someone you love.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:56 pm to TideHater
I like to give my opponent a sporting chance. Plus, the sound of the slide being racked is really cool. That's why i generally carry a shotgun for ccw.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:58 pm to Douglas Quaid
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In this particular case I believe it happened as presented. Guy was in hurry to leave house. Grabs gun from table but didn't get full grip. Gun slips out of hand and falls on hard floor. Reflexively he bent over to try to catch the gun before it hit the floor. Gun happened to land on floor pointing directly up. Shot himself in the stomach.
What kind of pistol was this?
Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:08 pm to TigerDeacon
You can't train away other people's behaviors, and you can't train away mechanical failure.
The whole point of carrying a pistol is to increase the survivability of yourself and your family. That might mean carrying a gun with a full clip and an empty chamber.
A man oughta do what he thinks is best. Sometimes that's empty chamber for me. Sometimes it isn't. Doesn't mean I need more training, or that I'm scared of guns, or that I shouldn't carry one at all.
It means I'm rational and able to recognize that increasing the danger to the people around me is what I am doing by having a round chambered in certain carry positions with certain gun types.
All the gun worshiping tactical nerds who like to pretend they're roping down into falluja when they get out to pump gas would do well to do a little risk assessment themselves.
The whole point of carrying a pistol is to increase the survivability of yourself and your family. That might mean carrying a gun with a full clip and an empty chamber.
A man oughta do what he thinks is best. Sometimes that's empty chamber for me. Sometimes it isn't. Doesn't mean I need more training, or that I'm scared of guns, or that I shouldn't carry one at all.
It means I'm rational and able to recognize that increasing the danger to the people around me is what I am doing by having a round chambered in certain carry positions with certain gun types.
All the gun worshiping tactical nerds who like to pretend they're roping down into falluja when they get out to pump gas would do well to do a little risk assessment themselves.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:15 pm to TigerDeacon
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I don't get the "well, you just have to train" argument. I'm not sure how you train yourself to be comfortable pointing a loaded weapon at someone you love.
FWIW, he was specifically talking about carrying a pistol in your pocket, pretty much all iwb holster will have the barrel pointed down in that scenario. It is a valid concern if you carry a Sig 320(I kid, I kid).
The training aspect is valid, everyone should practice drawing from their concealed carry. Should practice dressed different ways(hot,cold,etc.). Should practice reholstering.
Which brings me to my thoughts, there are so many scenarios that we could argue about its pointless. So many what ifs. Just assess your situation and do what you want.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Basic risk assessment for me says that round in the chamber is a bad idea with that handgun. Trigger pull is too light and too short for 100% no doubt no way anybody accidently pulls it.
I dry fired a 365x macro a few months ago and wasn't too impressed with the trigger. It felt very mushy and the break wasn't very clean. Kinda surprised me.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:44 pm to kengel2
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What kind of pistol was this?
Glock is what I was told. Don't know which model. 9mm.
It wasn't clear to me if in the process of reflexively reaching to catch it he inadvertently hit the trigger or not. Suspect that is likely. Know the gun hit the ground pointing upwards as he was hunched over trying to catch it.
Don't think anyone would intentionally shoot themselves in the stomach. An accidental discharge while holstering would likely mean a shot in the leg or foot.
This is someone very familiar with weapons and a generally cautious person. I tell it so that others realize how just how quickly things can go South unexpectedly even for folks with plenty weapons experience.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:36 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Or pulled the trigger accidentally and tried to save himself the embarrassment,
That was my thought as well unless he somehow managed to drop it onto something that could pull the trigger, it's not going off.
I carry glocks with one in the chamber. If I have to touch it that trigger is my primary concern. As it should be on any gun, loaded or not. Have shot a mountain of ammo in my many decades of shooting and have never had a single 'accidental fire'. I've seen people do it and I've only ever seen one that the trigger wasn't pulled. That was a double barrel savage shotgun that fired on close.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:43 pm to Douglas Quaid
I posted too soon it appears.
There's no way that glock is going off without the trigger pulled. But you saying he chased it down is the explanation. He got a finger in there and when it hit the ground, he was still moving forward. Bad luck, but I'll bet he doesn't do that again.
Let it hit the ground people. It's not going off.
There's no way that glock is going off without the trigger pulled. But you saying he chased it down is the explanation. He got a finger in there and when it hit the ground, he was still moving forward. Bad luck, but I'll bet he doesn't do that again.
Let it hit the ground people. It's not going off.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:17 pm to Loup
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If there isn't a round in the chamber you might as well carry a rock
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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no longer carry the 365 with one in the chamber. Lots of reasons but the main one is that I can't stand the thought of what is basically a cocked single action pistol with one under the hammer sweeping people with the muzzle.
They make one with manual thumb safety. It works well. I like it as an additional risk control measure to avoid shooting one’s nuts off. It ain’t for everyone though. One not even in the chamber seems silly… might as well not even carry a gun.
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