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re: Duck Dog + Yard= Major Problem
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:32 am to tenfoe
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:32 am to tenfoe
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definitely don't let him in the house
the best retrievers I have seen have been house dogs.
this includes one that won the national open....
dog that is around you and family more is a lot easier to train and reads you much better than a kenneled dog.
one of the best retrievers of all time lived in a condo on michigan avenue in chicago and spent more time fetching tennis balls in lake michigan with the owners daughter than anything else.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 8:34 am
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:38 am to choupiquesushi
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Any Dog (Puppy) + Yard= Major Problem
Fixed it for you...not to many puppies out there that don't.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:39 am to choupiquesushi
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the best retrievers I have seen have been house dogs
I guess those are the good ones. All the ones I've seen in the house end up getting fat and lazy, and lose the drive. I know guys who keep their dogs in the marsh in a kennel 12 months a year, and they are the best dogs I've ever been around when it comes to retreiving ducks and being mean wild animals when they need to catch a crippled bird. In my experience, a dog that performs well in field trials is not always the best hunting dog when it's 20 degrees and sideways rain.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:45 am to choupiquesushi
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dog that is around you and family more is a lot easier to train and reads you much better than a kenneled dog.
Not meaning to start an argument but all my dogs have been kenneled and they read me pretty good. I think if you go off and abandon them for weeks on end execept for letting them out to just eat/run around/relieve themselves then maybe this would be true. However, I usually tried to do some sort of work with mine morning and especially evening when I got home from work.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:47 am to Bandit30
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I'm in the process of training mine 16 weeks old and he is on whistle and hand signals.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:48 am to tenfoe
tenfoe.....
plenty cooped in kennels get fat and lazy....
the biggest difference between the trial dogs and hunters is the work on marks....
I have seen very very few FT dogs that were not or may not have been very good hunters...
keep in mind what many people call a good hunting dog is not what I would call a good hunting dog
20 degrees and sideways rain? I have never seen that in my waterfowling career....
plenty cooped in kennels get fat and lazy....
the biggest difference between the trial dogs and hunters is the work on marks....
I have seen very very few FT dogs that were not or may not have been very good hunters...
keep in mind what many people call a good hunting dog is not what I would call a good hunting dog
20 degrees and sideways rain? I have never seen that in my waterfowling career....
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:52 am to choupiquesushi
slight hijack questionwhich side of the hunter do you have your dog on before and after retrieves.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:53 am to choupiquesushi
but MWP don't you have a little more experience and relevant knowledge than most people just kenneling their dogs?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:01 am to Bleeding purple
The opposite side of the gun, usually.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:07 am to geauxcats10
I haven't read the whole thread, but I can only assume the argument is about penning the dog up vs. not.
I'll probably get blasted for this...
A hunting dog is a tool. It needs to be put up when not in use or training.
Family dogs are great, but if your child is playing fetch with it without making it heel, sit, stay, and back then it will have problems in the field. A lot of times I'll see kids throw something, then get sidetracked and never take the dummy from the dog. Then the dummy ends up in a million pieces.
All that said, if you do not worry about your dog breaking and you are more of a "As long as he brings them back" mindset, then the back yard pet described above will do. It's just not going to be a sharp dog.
I'll probably get blasted for this...
A hunting dog is a tool. It needs to be put up when not in use or training.
Family dogs are great, but if your child is playing fetch with it without making it heel, sit, stay, and back then it will have problems in the field. A lot of times I'll see kids throw something, then get sidetracked and never take the dummy from the dog. Then the dummy ends up in a million pieces.
All that said, if you do not worry about your dog breaking and you are more of a "As long as he brings them back" mindset, then the back yard pet described above will do. It's just not going to be a sharp dog.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:10 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:-273
A hunting dog is a tool. It needs to be put up when not in use or training.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:30 am to Clyde Tipton
Then you teach your child how to play fetch correctly. Dogs understand, if they were trained somewhat properly, that there's play time and there's work time. Kinda like my rake. When its not work time mine usually leans up against a tree or side of the house.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:37 am to VernonPLSUfan
I don't have a dog mainly because I don't want...
Besides, my bro-in-law, and a couple of hunting buddies have their own.
To your point,
Absolutely, but kids can be harder headed than dogs.
I'm just saying, the dogs I have seen that are field trained, hand signal understanding, stop on a whistle half way through a retrieve, live in a kennel.
A real hunting dog that takes off by himself for 10 minutes, uses his nose and reappear with a duck is what most people have. He plays in the back yard with the kids and lays by the fire at night.
There is a place for both, it just depends on what you want.
Touche`.
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Yard= Major Problem
Besides, my bro-in-law, and a couple of hunting buddies have their own.
To your point,
quote:
teach your child how to play fetch correctly.
Absolutely, but kids can be harder headed than dogs.
I'm just saying, the dogs I have seen that are field trained, hand signal understanding, stop on a whistle half way through a retrieve, live in a kennel.
A real hunting dog that takes off by himself for 10 minutes, uses his nose and reappear with a duck is what most people have. He plays in the back yard with the kids and lays by the fire at night.
There is a place for both, it just depends on what you want.
quote:
Kinda like my rake. When its not work time mine usually leans up against a tree or side of the house.
Touche`.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:53 am to Clyde Tipton
My dog is a meat dog by definition but he is hand and whistle trained and can do blind retrieves up to about 150 yds handling perfectly. I'm sure I can push him further back if need be.
Jd Babb did an outstanding job with my $100 mutt.
However I just want to maintain a nice looking backyard for something I work hard to pay for.
I'm gonna do a kennel but when I'm home he will be out with me. Just when me and my wife are at work or asleep will he be kenneled.
Does anyone have any simple plans to build a 10'x10' kennel? I would like it to be six ft high and covered.
Jd Babb did an outstanding job with my $100 mutt.
However I just want to maintain a nice looking backyard for something I work hard to pay for.
I'm gonna do a kennel but when I'm home he will be out with me. Just when me and my wife are at work or asleep will he be kenneled.
Does anyone have any simple plans to build a 10'x10' kennel? I would like it to be six ft high and covered.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:01 am to geauxcats10
It has always been my experience the more dogs are around you and your family - the easier they are to train.
Bird dogs by and large have great personalities and dispositions...... hence why i like to spend time with them... most if not all hunting breeds can be lumped into that statement.
Bird dogs by and large have great personalities and dispositions...... hence why i like to spend time with them... most if not all hunting breeds can be lumped into that statement.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:03 am to geauxcats10
I've had labs for the last 25 or so years, and hardly ever had a problem with them digging. Alot of it is keeping them busy when they are hanging out so to say. Plus if you leave them for long periods of time they get bored, and digging is a release especially if its hot. They like to dig and get to the cool ground for comfort. Doesn't sound like you have a meat dog with him doing all of that, unless you think meat means un-registered. Mines meat, he hears the shot, he hunts until he either smells it or just happen to come upon it.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:19 am to VernonPLSUfan
I have a 3 yr old bordercollie/black lab mix who is a rescue dog from a previously abusive owner that is just a pet and an AKC chocolate lab that is now 6 months old that I am training for a duck dog. The both have a large yard to play in and seem to only dig in shaded areas to lay or around the fence to get at something on the other side. Rarely do they dig out in the open areas.
I have a 10x10 uncovered chain linked kennel that is currently sitting on the ground. I am thinking of putting down a slab and strapping the kennel to it and adding a roof and two cut out barrels for houses.
There is a kiddie pool that the choc likes to play in.
I use the kennel for times when I need them more secure, but normally the door to the kennel stays open to the yard.
Do yall think the dogs will stop digging for places to lay in the cool dirt if I can make the inside of kennel sufficiently shaded and cool?
I have a 10x10 uncovered chain linked kennel that is currently sitting on the ground. I am thinking of putting down a slab and strapping the kennel to it and adding a roof and two cut out barrels for houses.
There is a kiddie pool that the choc likes to play in.
I use the kennel for times when I need them more secure, but normally the door to the kennel stays open to the yard.
Do yall think the dogs will stop digging for places to lay in the cool dirt if I can make the inside of kennel sufficiently shaded and cool?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:25 am to Bleeding purple
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putting down a slab
big pave stones, can be hosed down etc, less permanent and easier than slab, can be moved if necessary and reused etc. I drove stakes through the chain link into the ground.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:10 pm to Chad504boy
I like that idea chad thanks.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 1:13 pm to Chad504boy
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Posted by Chad504boy quote: putting down a slab big pave stones, can be hosed down etc, less permanent and easier than slab, can be moved if necessary and reused etc. I drove stakes through the chain link into the ground.
Chad do you mind taking a picture of your setup?
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